Logical Fallacies Part 2

A second video of Logical fallacies that have been used in comments or Personal Messages. Everyone can do it.

*Can God Create a Rock so Big that He cannot lift it?

God cannot do something that is a violation of His own existence and nature. Therefore, He cannot make a rock so big he can't pick up, or make something bigger than Himself, etc. But, not being able to do this does not mean He is not God nor that He is not omnipotent. Omnipotence is not the ability to do anything conceivable, but the ability to do anything consistent with His nature and consistent with His desire within the realm of His unlimited and universal power which we do not possess. If He did something inconsistent with His nature, then He would be self contradictory. If God were self contradictory, He would not be true. - Matt Slick

Category:

Education

Tags:

• logic
• fallacy
• discussion
• God
• existance
• religion
• theism
• atheism
• atheist
• theist
• jesus
• christ
• bible
• christianity

[bitbutter]

'Appeal to negative consequences' is still missing as far as i can see. It's an important one, maybe for the next version.

[TheHonestTheist]

Maybe in part 3 ^^

[TheHonestTheist]

lol seriously man, it's just cause you are an atheist isn't it. Man, what the heck is wrong with this? You guys are suppose to love logic! If this was posted by an atheist, you would 5 star it, but you one star it purely because I'm a theist, nice job!

[TheHonestTheist]

hold on, did you actually give this a one star? why did you do that??

[CJFCarlsson]

"Meaningless question". A question is not an argument. It can be misinformed like "How could you possibly fit a bus inside a computer?". A question could be a challenge to a viewpoint such as "how many angels can dance on the tip of a needle?" but in itself is not a statement.

[successwe3]

I love this music in part 1 and part 2. Can you tell me who the band is and what the album is. I would like to buy a copy. I also like your video's. Beautiful.

Thanks.

[PrivateKeehl]

This is ignoring the true meaning of the word "can't" though. All the word "can't" means is that you are capable of not doing something. It doesn't not mean you are incapable of doing it. The difference is that if you can not do something, you have the ability to not do it, not you don't have the ability to do it. Knowing this, the answer to the question is yes, he can make a rock so big he can't (is capable of not doing) push it. In other words he can still choose not to push it.

[PrivateKeehl]

I believe god can make a rock so heavy he can't lift it. I am a Christian, and the bible teaches me that god is a trinity, God the Father, God the Son, and the Holy Ghost. God the Father can make a rock so big God the Son can't lift it (which he's already done in the creation of the earth), but God the Father can still lift it. God the Son is only human, so he can't lift the biggest rocks in the world made during the creation.

[ScabeiathraxUK]

@TheHonestTheist

This was actually informative, thank you.

" it's just cause you are an atheist isn't it." but this assumption is offensive, even if it was made of someone else.

Collectively, I doubt atheists are any more closed minded than theists, if we assume the same percentage of both groups to be considered intelligent. And I'd say that's a fair assumption.

You might call that a Middle Ground fallacy, but since close-mindedness is not measurable, neither side can be reasonable argued.

[paulism1984]

thanks for the emo music!

[ipwinyou]

@TheHonestTheist When presented with obvious truth if it goes against personal feelings then people reject it. Great vids man!

[TurumbarTurin]

A truly meaningless question is more like "how high is up?", answering a meaningless question like that would be to go outside the question and say up is a direction and not a measurable height, but you went ahead and answered the "meaningless" question right in line with it, though falsely in my opinion, rendering it not meaningless.

[Entertainmentwf]

@Entertainmentwf any system of logic will never be able to handle the use of these claims.

[Entertainmentwf]

@TheHonestTheist I disliked this video because, it is biased and supports a statement which is formally unprovable by any machine (i.e. any system of logic).

[Entertainmentwf]

Your example at 3:56 is a valid statement to propose. Many many scientific principles work on such propositions (of that sort). Example, the Turing Machine is a one of many recursive languages which in notion will never halt on such propositions but, computer science working in computability try to distinguish such problems. Horrible horrible video.

[Entertainmentwf]

As a logician this video is bullshit. You need to demonstrate your position is valid before you can apply a complete logic system on it. It is about as valid as stating that there is a sunny day therefore everywhere it is sunny. 1:25 is actually a good example of the theist position. Since there is nothing supporting that claim in terms of scientific reasoning, and rational inquiry.

[Ketutar]

I'm sorry but I feel like voting and giving you only one star just because you are assuming people have motifs they might not have...

[Godhandslayer]

bullshit!

[TheForthcoming1]

Thank you THT. Great music btw.

[GuineaPigDan]

For a moment, I thought Telemantros was making a veiled attack on Catholicism at the part about factual errors with the example "the Bible has 77 books ." But then I remembered that the Catholic Bible has 73 books, not 77. Still, that did seem a little too close for comfort.

[mathias7777777777777]

So the real question is "Can God make something more powerful or bigger than himself?" Gods power is eternal and infinite, you can't make something more powerful when it dosent measure on a scale in the first place ie, eternity. So the complex question is a logical falacy and a funny one. Just think it through.

[mathias7777777777777]

A bit like God really.

[mathias7777777777777]

Lol, that's a funny answer. have you stopped to think what might happen if God did? Well first of all we would all be crushed to death. The rock would continue to expand. It would gain size and mass until the earth, moon, sun and all the planets were consumed. Then it would expand into and consume the milkyway, soon it would reach the limits of time and space! Indeed it would transcend time and space and It would become infinite!

[LogosApologia]

Atheists usually go for blatant special pleading.

[ragnarok297]

Whats with the asking for 5 stars? I thought you would be above that...

[tregoning]

Yes, God can make a rock which is so big He cannot lift it, then He lifts it. However, it still remains too big for Him to lift. Impossible ? Only as impossible as God being omnipotent and incarnate; as God being one and Father, Son & Spirit; as God being immortal and dying; as God being perfect and being made sin. What APPEARS to us to be antinomy is part of God's very being.

[bitbutter]

The masked man fallacy example is incorrect. Creationists who believe that changes happen in species over time have accepted evolution, but simply prefer not to call it that.