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The Proposition 8 Federal Lawsuit will likely be the first US District Court trial to ever be televised.

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  • Its NONSENSE to think anyone with a different opinion that yours is intolerant or judgmental or hateful or has a phobia.

  • In your case, the wolf IS the shepard.

  • Prejudice is not the same as Miscreant ...!

    Who do You Want Guard Your Little "Lambs" a Wolf or the Shepard...?

  • "Gay marriage is self-excluding by definition."

    --By a new definition that was inserted into the CA constitution 15 months ago and is the subject of the lawsuit referred to above.

    The other groups I mentioned are not "self-excluding" only because the inserted definition did not provide that "Only marriage between brown-haired people (or Christian people or short people) is valid or recognized in CA."

    Do you believe the "people" also have a right to exclude those groups, if they wish?

  • "Nor is red-head marriage or Jewish marriage or tall marriage."

    Wrong. To the extent that a Jewish marriage is also a monogamous, consensual opposite-sex marriage, it's a fundamental right.

    Gay marriage is self-excluding by definition. Equal protection no more entails gay marriages than it entails polygamous marriages.

  • Except gay marriage isn't a basic civil right any more than polygamous marriage is a basic civil right.

    Anyway, tough titties. The amendment process that has given Californians more expansive rights than those afforded by the federal Constitution can also abrogate those rights. You on the other hand want it to be a one-way ratchet: it giveth, but shall not taketh away.

    That's nonsense, and smacks of wanting to have your cake and eat it too.

  • Which is really an admission of defeat, since derision is not an argument. Nor petulance, for that matter.

    You'd also be more believable if you didn't keep marking your own comments as spam. Ashamed? :)

  • "Do you suppose California marriage licenses should be signed in pencil"

    Only gay marriage licenses need be. Gay marriage advocates knew full well the risks they were taking by litigating a cause they knew would alienate the majority of voters. Too bad.

    "Until 2008 when, according to you, they decided otherwise with Prop 8."

    The people's will is allowed to change its mind.

    Deal with it.

  • @sklanger:

    "It did. Until the people exercised their will again and decided otherwise."

    -- I see. So in 2000 (Prop22) the people's "will" was that same-sex marriage was not to be permitted.

    Then in 2007, as you just opined about AB 43, their "will" was that it IS permitted.

    Until 2008 when, according to you, they "decided otherwise" with Prop 8.

    Do you suppose California marriage licenses should be signed in pencil, sklanger, just in case some erasures are needed?

  • I will continue to point out your false statements of fact as long as you keep making them.

    As for being convinced, they should be. Duly enacted and ratified amendments to the Constitution (like the 15th Amendment) represent the will of the people.

    "If this Amendment is duly adopted, it will represent the will of the people accomplished in the manner prescribed by the Constitution." Frontiero v. Richardson, 411 U.S. 677, 692 (1973) (Powell, J., concurring).

    Feel free to disagree with SCOTUS.

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