I totally appreciate where your coming from and i have to appreciate the ease with which JM seamlessly fuses classical and folk but his vocal style is far from simple, i have to disagree there.
With a lot of Irish folk & especially in this case folk "Standards" are used where the same tune is speeded up or slowed down or accented differently so with a well covered ballad like this the performer has to leave their stamp & impact on the song & listener or it ends up bland im prepared to say draw.
Points taken re accompaniment, but regards the vocal curls I think you have to match the effects to the song, otherwise the singer risks lightening the 'correct' sombre mood. After all this song is all about loss. As for JM's version being too colloquial, I believe this rendition travels very well, and the piano is so sensitive to the vocals. It's the only version I've ever heard that emphasises the narrative while allowing appreciation of the delivery.
@RimRodXS2000 The earliest folk particularly Irish was done unaccompanied so the voice has 2 jobs to do to create the desired effect so drones and yodels are added. The earliest instruments of folk in these Isles were pipes so the drones may have come later as a way of implying the pipes and this was the type of unaccompanied tradition that Ann Briggs was trying to revive. I have to still say AB for her archetypical Celtic sound while JM sounds too colloquial but is still a gr8 1
....emotional impact of a simple song. I don't know much about Briggs other than what wikipedia tells me, and having listened to her version of She Moved, unfortunetly she too fails to appreciate the simplicity of the song. I know she was involved in reviving the folk tradition, and perhaps that excuses her unnecessary embellishments.
My nomination for the stand out version of this song is John McCormack's, so beautifully accompanied as it is. To hell with daytime tv.
Nothing personal against her or indeed the Welsh people, but I think is she is neither an internationally respected opera singer or capable of doing justice to this song. She's a 'celebrity' who will sing pretty much anything her management tell her to sing, even when hopelessly ill-prepared.
And the original point I made was that, most singers today who have a go at these classic ballads do so thinking they have to embellish them with vocal curls. thereby losing the ....
@RimRodXS2000 I agree with you its not the best she can do and it lacks the proper level of emotion to perform it leaving the impact its supposed to but when you say its shit that just lets me know that you have no appreciation of tone and vocal quality; Charlotte is an internationally respected opera singer and has such control over her vocal range that she can sing anything, she doesnt make mistakes it was the style and tempo that made it bland. Ann Briggs is the pedestal...
Well I must admit that on listening to this version of the song once more, I was forced to reconsider the opinion expressed all those months ago. Far from an "exercise in hitting the right notes" etc, Church's version was perfect. Perfect for daytime tv. It's truly shit, offensive even, and she dosen't even hit all the right notes. But well done with the national stereotypes stiffy.
@DubSun33 Charlotte Church is Welsh and the Welsh are born singing. Our Charlotte is a highly skilled naturally talented girl whose virtuosity of vocal range is unmatched by ordinary mortals. I agree that this haunting song is made to look so effortless by Charlotte even as she warbles it to absolute perfection we know that she can set the standard even higher because she oozes natural creativity...
Sinead O Connor's version sounds better
neilymc89 1 week ago
nice try but Moirra Kerr and All about Eve own this classic x
MrMackayayeaye 2 months ago
I totally appreciate where your coming from and i have to appreciate the ease with which JM seamlessly fuses classical and folk but his vocal style is far from simple, i have to disagree there.
With a lot of Irish folk & especially in this case folk "Standards" are used where the same tune is speeded up or slowed down or accented differently so with a well covered ballad like this the performer has to leave their stamp & impact on the song & listener or it ends up bland im prepared to say draw.
stiffex 2 months ago
@stiffex
Points taken re accompaniment, but regards the vocal curls I think you have to match the effects to the song, otherwise the singer risks lightening the 'correct' sombre mood. After all this song is all about loss. As for JM's version being too colloquial, I believe this rendition travels very well, and the piano is so sensitive to the vocals. It's the only version I've ever heard that emphasises the narrative while allowing appreciation of the delivery.
RimRodXS2000 2 months ago
@RimRodXS2000 The earliest folk particularly Irish was done unaccompanied so the voice has 2 jobs to do to create the desired effect so drones and yodels are added. The earliest instruments of folk in these Isles were pipes so the drones may have come later as a way of implying the pipes and this was the type of unaccompanied tradition that Ann Briggs was trying to revive. I have to still say AB for her archetypical Celtic sound while JM sounds too colloquial but is still a gr8 1
stiffex 2 months ago
@stiffex
....emotional impact of a simple song. I don't know much about Briggs other than what wikipedia tells me, and having listened to her version of She Moved, unfortunetly she too fails to appreciate the simplicity of the song. I know she was involved in reviving the folk tradition, and perhaps that excuses her unnecessary embellishments.
My nomination for the stand out version of this song is John McCormack's, so beautifully accompanied as it is. To hell with daytime tv.
RimRodXS2000 2 months ago
@stiffex
Nothing personal against her or indeed the Welsh people, but I think is she is neither an internationally respected opera singer or capable of doing justice to this song. She's a 'celebrity' who will sing pretty much anything her management tell her to sing, even when hopelessly ill-prepared.
And the original point I made was that, most singers today who have a go at these classic ballads do so thinking they have to embellish them with vocal curls. thereby losing the ....
RimRodXS2000 2 months ago
@RimRodXS2000 I agree with you its not the best she can do and it lacks the proper level of emotion to perform it leaving the impact its supposed to but when you say its shit that just lets me know that you have no appreciation of tone and vocal quality; Charlotte is an internationally respected opera singer and has such control over her vocal range that she can sing anything, she doesnt make mistakes it was the style and tempo that made it bland. Ann Briggs is the pedestal...
stiffex 2 months ago
@stiffex
Well I must admit that on listening to this version of the song once more, I was forced to reconsider the opinion expressed all those months ago. Far from an "exercise in hitting the right notes" etc, Church's version was perfect. Perfect for daytime tv. It's truly shit, offensive even, and she dosen't even hit all the right notes. But well done with the national stereotypes stiffy.
RimRodXS2000 2 months ago
@DubSun33 Charlotte Church is Welsh and the Welsh are born singing. Our Charlotte is a highly skilled naturally talented girl whose virtuosity of vocal range is unmatched by ordinary mortals. I agree that this haunting song is made to look so effortless by Charlotte even as she warbles it to absolute perfection we know that she can set the standard even higher because she oozes natural creativity...
stiffex 2 months ago