Classic Aircraft Pt:9 - Meteor

Douglas Bader narrates this series of classic aircraft.

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• Meteor

[TheWilliamcale]

nice the ruddy visuals are fine old chap

[PANORAMA1815]

cracking radio show but get some better ruddy visuals on it, Do it justice old chap!!!

[pramboy09]

@tomburley thats right, i was reading the head of the F-86 development managed to get his hands on captured german wind tunnel data and much of it was used in the sabre's development, in saying that the F-86A was far from perfect especially it's engine the j-47, later improved versions together with rolls royce avon and orenda turned it to a world class fighter, especially the F-86E. would have been nice if the RNZAF had recieved them instead of the vampires we had but they served us well also.

[tomburley]

@pramboy09 With the MiG15 both swept wing and inline engine were proven - as also found on the Republic F84 Thunderjet when Republic added swept wings on the F84F Thunderstreak. It was this development that really saw the advancement of jet fighters. Of course the Me163 used the same principle but with a rocket engine. German scientists and engineers had one task only in WW2 - that was to create new "Wonder weapons" Allied forces where interested only in ending the war.

[tomburley]

@pramboy09 Whilst the Me262 airframe & swept wing layout was a dramatic leap forward which gave the 262 the performance advantage in late 1944 - it was also a huge drawback since the engines were mounted below the wing and this was the key factor that would have prevented any further increase in top speed. The Meteor half solved this issue but embedding the engines within the wing and the F80 cured the issue by mounting a single (more powerful) engine within te fuselage - minimizing drag.

[pramboy09]

@tomburley don't get me wrong i like the meteor it was a very good gun platform and ground attack aircraft but even though the jumos of the 262 were terrible i still think the 262 would have had an edge. The 262 airframe was years ahead of what had. I know the americans used a captured 262 and compared it to the p-80 and i think the 262 was quite superior. in saying that i have no idea how much better or worse the meteor was compared to the p-80!

[tomburley]

@pramboy09 Actually I was talking about the Meteor Mk III which entered service in Dec 1944 and in July of 1945 had the more powerful Dewent 5 engines with a modified intake - giving it a top speed of 585mph - It developed into the Mk IV in late 1945 which then took the air speed record in December 1945 @ 606mph.

Note - I did also say that IF further development of ME262 had taken place it too would have passed 600mph BUT Hitler didn't order further Jumo engine development - he killed himself.

[pramboy09]

@tomburley i have to say for a former raf pilot i thought you would have known that the 262 was over 100 mph hour faster than the metoer in 1944 when both entered service. 410 mph v 540 mph. If you are talking about comparing the mk 4 metoer to the 262 yes it would be interesting but slightly unbalanced considering the 262 hadn't had the chance of upgrading its engines also.

[skepticalvision]

You lot demonstrate complete ignorance. Here are the dates the jets became operationional and flew in service.

Me 262 April 1944, first combat encounter 26th July when one damaged a Mosquito bomber of 540 sqdrn.

Glostor Metor: Operational from 27th July 1944 - 616 Sqdrn at operational strength.

Ryan FR-F1 - 66 aircraft delivered before the end of the war. Did NOT see operational service during WW-II.

YP-80 "Shooting star" did not see operational service in WW-II.

[tomburley]

@kornek21 I am delighted for you - perhaps when you have grown up you might realise that some of us are not liars and also I would suggest that YOU check your facts - The Meteor entered active squadron service before the ME262....FACT.

[kornek21]

@tomburley former R.a.F hahaha ye sure lad, sure you are, and im part of the royal norwegian special forces hahahah...quit lying while ur being dumped on laddie

[tomburley]

@kornek21 Maybe 30+ years ago I was a "lad" but I think you'll find I know what I'm talking about - I'm former R.A.F. and have had the priveledge of flying in numerous early jets, including the Meteor - which set wolrd air speed records in December 1945 and held it through to 1947 @ 616mph. Now, I've no doubt that, given further developement the ME262 would have passed 600mph too - the fact is - it didn't