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Barbara Boxer on gay marriage + Vote No on Prop 8

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To the children of same-sex parents: You Are Bad.

Doesn't matter if you are happy, well-adjusted, well cared-for, educated or secure. Doesn't matter if your parents are hard working, tax paying, law abiding or nice.

Children brought up in loving, caring households are in effect being told as much by the proponents of Proposition 8, better known as The Protect Marriage Act or
The Same-Sex Marriage Ban which will, if it passes, add a new amendment to the California Constitution: "Only marriage between a man and a woman is valid or recognized in California".
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/steven-weber/prop-8prop-hate_b_133793.html
Martin Luther King once opined after a demonstration circa 1966, "I'm tired of marching for things that should already be mine." This was King's way of illustrating the absurdity of African Americans having to fight for rights that had been guaranteed to the dominant culture since the Constitution was ratified on June 21, 1788.

It is with King's frustration in mind that I hope this will be the last column I write on the absurdity of debating same-gender marriage.

I use absurdity as the word choice because the arguments in opposition to same-gender marriage are based on a brand of conjecture that is irrational, incongruous, and at times illogical.

Proposition 8 is on the California ballot for the sole purpose to take away rights already granted to same-gender couples. The argument for Prop.8 is based entirely on the straw man of assumption and propaganda.

If those in opposition were to take an honest inventory of the five most important issues to them as individuals and collectively for the state, where does the same-gender marriage rank? First? Second? Third?

One of the most irrational assumptions plaguing the same-gender marriage debate is its impact on the church. The theory being that churches will be forced to conduct same-gender wedding ceremonies against its will. This is a profoundly un-American hypothesis that is rooted in fear, encroaching on the long standing Jeffersonian notion that there be wall of separation between church and state.

Same-gender marriage is not a church issue. No church that I am aware would be forced to conduct same-gender marriages against their will. This debate is exclusive to civil marriage, which the last time I checked was supported by the tax dollars of all Americans.

The notion of taxation without representation is critical to the American experiment. In fact, the last time we had a serious debate about it, someone lost a bunch a tea and a war soon followed.

The other illogical pro Prop.8 argument is that same-gender marriage threatens traditional, biblically based marriage. This may be the greatest red herring that is readily assumed as normative.

There is no such thing as traditional, biblically based marriage -- at least in the Western hemisphere. I know of no heterosexual couple living in the United States that has a marriage that is remotely similar to what is found within the Bible.

Biblical marriage viewed women as property; based almost exclusively on procreation.

Thus, those who wish to oppose same-gender marriage on a biblical basis must do so by advocating for their private view of morality as the best way for society, using a stagnant definition of marriage that never existed in a world that is constantly evolving.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/byron-williams/prop8--irrational-incongr_b_1357...
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Check out my blog posting on this subject:
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/10/25/161711/09/613/642133

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  • 1 homesexuality is not perverted, since when is being in love perverted

    2 you can't just stop being gay, just as you wouldn't suddenly stop being straight.

  • I wish Martin Luther King Jr. were still alive. He'd know better than anyone, the unfairness that is banning gay marriage.

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  • For all you God lovers out there, didn't God say to love everybody? THEN WHY THE HELL ARE YOU HATING ON LGBT?!?!!?

  • @MamaMario13 If she supports sin, then she abides not in the doctrine of Christ. 2 John 1:9 reads, "Whosoever transgresseth, and abideth not in the doctrine of Christ, hath not God. He that abideth in the doctrine of Christ, he hath both the Father and the Son." The Bible is very clear that many who claim to love the Lord and profess to be Christian will die lost souls due to their disobedience (Matthew 7:21-23).

  • @JavierCA2008 nope, you cant stop actually, believe me I know gay people who have tried getting with women and two weeks later they were back with men, so much for "exgay"

    BTW hollywood or God? Hollywood is a real place, I can go there. I have never met any God before nor shall I ever because all evidence so far shows that it doesnt exist. If I thought it were real I would want to be told what to do directly from him rather than from other humans

  • @vhopson barbra boxer is christian and she supports it

  • @vhopson he wanted equal rights for everyone

  • @daisukeniwa but of course we live in Country were if we decide to take a stand about equal rights for a rejected type of people regardless their personallity just their life style or who they are you would get a group of people or an alliance that is there to take you down.

    I totally agree with you we need Martin Luther King Jr. or someone with enough balls to stand up for either their right or other peoples rights without violences or attacking people and setting buildings on fire ect.

  • I think gays and lesbians should be a little more concerned about the financial condition of their state/nation, as should illegal immigrants.

  • @vhopson yah

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