Do Mark Kielar and Lane Lie About Charles Finney? (TurretinFan)

This is a short video response to the main point a group named "RefutingCalvinism" here on Youtube posted recently calling Mark Kielar and LaneCh (myself) liars for a video I have posted about Charles Finney. TurretinFan contacted me and asked if I thought it would be good if he made this initial response video to address their main point and go over the other points they brought up at a later date. Seeing as it was TurretinFan, I was happy for him to do so. (The group "RefutingCalvinism" has thus called TurretinFan a liar now for his response video as well. UPDATE: "RefutingCalvinism" has taken their video down since this was posted.)

The video in question that they mention used to be entitled "Salvation is the Work of Man!" - Charles Finney. They took issue to it saying that it was never a direct quote of his. After further looking at it, I realized that having the quotes in there did signify that it may be a direct quote of his so I took the quotations off. Now that that has happened, they still wish to take issue with the idea that Finney said that Salvation is the Work of Man in paraphrased form. TurretinFan, however, does a great job of showing from Finney's own words that he believed that *Conversion* and *Regeneration* were the work of man. Well, folks, what's another term for conversion and regeneration? Salvation.

TurretinFan and I are planning to discuss the entirety of their video in an upcoming edition of Rightly Divided to address their lesser points. We may even touch on their follow up video to the initial one where they put forth that TurretinFan is a liar now as well. They make this claim according to TurretinFan's response video (the video you are watching here).

I pray that Mr. Skelly and his friends seriously consider the points that are raised in this video and will be raised in future discussion with TurretinFan and myself, and they repent accordingly.

Here is their initial video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=caffyMYwNw4
Here is the follow up response video to TurretinFan:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhKctGwS1oI
(They were allowing comments on these two videos when TurretinFan's response was released, but they have since disabled the comments and deleted every single one.)

Here's the original video I posted that they took issue with:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U49RyyHVmXQ
For some further reading on the errors of Charles Finney's theology, you can check out a primer Phil Johnson wrote a while back at the following link:
http://www.spurgeon.org/~phil/articles/finney.htm

You can also watch the various videos on my channel discussing the theology of Finney by searching "Finney" in my search box.

I also encourage you to visit TurretinFan's Youtube page and blog. He has many great videos on his channel and many great articles on his blog. He's literally one of the smartest, kindest, and most faithful people I know, and his videos and blog reflect that.
Youtube channel:
http://www.youtube.com/turretinfan
Blog:
http://turretinfan.blogspot.com

Category:

Education

Tags:

• charles
• finney
• turretinfan
• refutingcalvinism
• kerrigan
• skelly

[Fgsltw316]

It is sad that deformed...I mean reformed theology can't stand up on it's own merits. They have to slander a great evangelist, theologian and revivalist like Finney. They never mention the fact that Luther and Calvin hated God's "Chosen" people the Jews. Calvin said, "I have had much conversation with many Jews: I have never seen either a drop of piety or a grain of truth or ingenuousness—nay, I have never found common sense in any Jew." The Calvin Handbook page 146 Behold your theologians!!

[CBALLEN]

The whole emergent church movement owe many of their beliefs and tactics to Finney.Their whole premise is to make man comfortable enough with the''Jesus they preach",that he will eventually want to say a prayer to him asking him into their heart.Finney also taught that a believer having Jesus' imputed righteousness was non-sense.He taught that one could only have their past sins forgiven then it was up to the individual to keep himself saved from that point on.

[rokwing]

Finney seemed no better than Charles Taze Russell, in my opinion.

[ChattyChristian]

God warns of false prophets & teachers from Gen. - Rev. Is it therefore incongruous that we should warn others of charismatic historical figures (even those who spoke authoritatively from the pulpit) who preached error or even another Gospel? Long after YouTube, pride, ungodly traditions, beliefs and opinions, the truth in John 4:24 will stand. God is a Spirit: and they that worship Him must worship Him in spirit and in truth. TRUTH matters. Your eternity depends on it as does mine.

[donaldjamesperry]

From your prospective Finney is teaching salvation by man alone. But Finney also believed God made it possible for people to have something they could choose by Christ. In this Finney is saying and believing that it is also a work of God. So the plan is in God but the choice is in man. We should all be more specific if this is what we mean.

[Joshpb80]

I beg you to read Finneys books in his own words from beginning to end before drawing these conclusions. Finney never preached that we are saved by deciding to pray a prayer. He made sure they were ready and properly instructed. As for his theology, I agree with him and I don't mind if you don't.

[Joshpb80]

I've read tons of the bible and Finney. More than enough to know that what Kielar says about him is nothing but lies lies lies. Do your own careful reading of Finney and you will see even if you are a Calvinist.

[eklektos777]

@Joshpb80

Telling people that they are wrong is not biting and devouring them. The fact is, errors of doctrine do have practical implications. Yes, the Lord did bless you through Finney's ministry and in spite of his errors, but what about the thousands who got hardened to the gospel on account of his decisional regeneration doctrine? Those people would have been better off not hearing any gospel at all.

[LinuxHawk]

@Joshpb80 I can only suggest, read Jesus &, Pauls words etc. to see how many times in the NT alone we are advised, instructed, and warned about false prophets and people teaching watered down messages.

Also this is not to be done lightly...

But when there is so much evidence on someone, we are obliged to expose them.

Anyone can mistakenly say something on a sermon or 2, but when it is has a consistency about it, you can see it is no accident.

& effectiveness???

I was a victim of such tactics.

[Joshpb80]

The saddest thing is to see Christians bite and devour other Christians over a theological difference, or a different perspective on the same truth they both agree on. To slander a man such as Charles Finney is sin plain and simple. This man has helped me die to self and live for God more than any other. If we all would read him with an open mind we would see a great revival in the land. Why hinder his effectiveness with slander as LaneCh is guilty of?