Clarence Darrow v G.K. Chesterton - ACS Season IV
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My God, Chesterton quoted Plato twice. Bravo! Bravo!
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This is really good and GKC is a jewel, I would wish we had more or even one right now who can so eloquently speak the faith in terms non-religious and the masses can understand.
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"Thinking involves accepting certain things. Things that cannot be proved but can only be accecpted on faith. All thinking begins with assumptions that cannot be proved." This is brilliant.
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so refreshing to hear such wisdom with humour
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Here's why it's dumb: you are arguing about their authenticity. It's well established Smith's claims could not be verified and Muhammad was just repeating earlier Christian heretical teachings. But by admitting Jesus really walked the earth, you are admitting what the Gospels say about Him are true.
As for your take on belief in miracles...you are wrong. Christianity provides a basis for saying miracles are possible...others do not.
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@MrTrilliondollarman What? How is that "dumb"? Do you believe that Joseph Smith or Muhammad were actual historical figures? Of course they were... so that proves they were genuine and authentic? What?
What do you mean by "Hinduism has no basis for determining miracles?" There have been countless "miracles" that have allegedly occurred throughout history. And they were believed by their respective cultures for *exactly* the same reason you believe in yours: faith.
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that's a pretty dumb stand right there. Since you just admitted Jesus was a real historical figure, then you've already admitted to His authenticity. So someone who was actually there and witnessed Jesus doesn't count as a reliable source? I hope you don't work in the legal field...the milk miracle proves nothing since Hinduism has no basis for determining miracles.
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@MrTrilliondollarman yes, we have evidence that Jesus was a real historical figure, but what we don't have is evidence of his authenticity. Just like every last allegedly divine historical figure (like Gautama Buddha). And please, before you say we have "eyewitness accounts" (as if those have some sort of intrinsic credibility anyway) check out "Hindu milk miracle" on wikipedia (or something like it). And if I was making a strawman argument, I apologize. Where was I making a strawman argument?
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What you have put here is nothing more than a strawman take on Christianity. I'm afraid the evidence is just too great to doubt Jesus rising from the dead. In fact, we have more historical evidence for Jesus than we do for Julius Caesar, and no one doubts his existence.
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"If, for instance, it could be proven that Jesus did not rise from the dead, then our 'faith' would be misplaced and should be abandoned." I'm afraid nobody can do that. Just like they can't prove Gautama Buddha didn't walk on water on multiple occasions.
"The 'book' is only authoritative if God is real and the events in it true." Like the Great Flood when God drowned thousands of babies and small children or the part were *Jesus* walked on water?
@thallassocracy "The Ball and the Cross" is not at all about that. For starters, it was written before planes - with the exception of the Wright Brothers, who were having limited success. It was even before almost all "office blocks", if by that you mean skyscrapers.
You have demonstrated that not only have you never read anything by Chesterton, but your only intention is to slander him as a proto-terrorist.
I think we know who the intellectual terrorist is here, at any rate.
TheaterOfTheWordInc 1 year ago 24
@Paddy234 Read what he said about it then and let me know what you think.
TheaterOfTheWordInc 1 year ago 11