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[bojabjab]

my second remark is, where did the laws and rules of science that u believe in so much come from? we can agree that those are so precise and never change. Is it from the universe? where did the universe originate from?big bang? how was the big bang created? frm a single entity of infinite mass right? how did that single entity of infinite mass exist? and how can something like the Quran written 1400 yrs ago know about something such as that?

ur a man of science u should be able to explain that.

[TheModestAgnostic]

There are certainly plenty of things we don't know, but the koran didn't know them either. Isn't it interesting that only AFTER science has done all the hard work, the koran is retrospectively interpreted to fit the known facts? Where is an example of a koranic scientific "fact" that has yet to be established by science? If the koran had pi calculated to a million decimal points (or even 10,000), you might have a case. The vague koranic waffle offered as "scientific proof" is NOT going to do.

[bojabjab]

its not vague at all, well you will consider it vague but i will get you the verses for both parts and i hope you don't mind me sending you a message?

[TheModestAgnostic]

By all means, but I've seen this stuff before, and it's no more convincing than the "prophecies" of the Bible, or Nostradamus.

[bojabjab]

your comment at 30 seconds is false. You can live in a muslim country with out having to be a muslim just like christians, jews, zorastians have lived within the islamic empire. Also read the Quran sura 109 Al Kafiroon (rejectors of faith). and there are other verses as you might know that deal with this situation.

[TheModestAgnostic]

My statement was not false at all! I don't dispute that the koran does mandate tolerance, and the treatment of "people of the book" as fellow (but 2nd class) citizens. However, the penalty for leaving Islam is of course death, inter marriage with those of other faiths is discouraged and actively attempting to convert anyone to ones own faith also gets you into hot water. It is an obvious and crude mechanism to breed other religions out of existence in a generation or two.

[TheModestAgnostic]

While this arrangement may have been very liberal & progressive for the 7th century, not involving mass murder and genocide, it won't cut it today.

[naybobdenod]

and this is why the koran cannot be questioned,it keep muslims under control.can you imagine 2 billion muslims thinking for themselves.ANARCHY

[zetigrey]

Golden rule of huminity found in most relegions: A man should wander about treating all creatures as he himself would be treated.

A clear example that Islam is not based on the Golden Rule is the verse (48:29) It says: "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah; and those who are with him are strong against Unbelievers, (but) compassionate amongst each other."

[TheModestAgnostic]

Thats just rubbish, and deep down you know it. You climb into cars, fly in areoplanes and use electricity <b>because it all works</b>, in billions and billions of experiments every single day. You want us to ascribe the same level of credence to unproven and self evident nonsense, written down thousands of years ago by primitives with less knowledge of the natural world than a modern 10 year old? Fuck off. Really, do.