Response to Mr. Cropper: "Defense in an Anarchist Society"

A video response to Mr. Cropper on his argument against Anarchism concerning the issue of defense.

Original Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qvC8yu20aG8

War Facts:

http://zfacts.com/p/447.html
http://www.nationalpriorities.org/costofwar_home
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/iz.html
https://www.cia.gov/library/publications/the-world-factbook/geos/af.html
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/03/07/AR20080307028...

Cost of war counter: http://costofwar.com/

Anarchist Law:

Part 1: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4pyQkSR7g18&feature=channel_page

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DzhFzy8EeNU&feature=channel_page

Hawaiis Population: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hawaii#cite_note-08CenEst-1

US Armed Forces Personnel: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/US_Armed_Forces

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[biped19]

In this period of human evolution Anarchy WILL always devolve into a some sort of state. Anarchy is a nice concept and thought exercise, but it will never work, at least for the next ~1000 years.

[LaughingMan0X]

@biped19

Burden of proof is on you to explain why that'll be the case.

[biped19]

@LaughingMan0X

I will posit that Homo-Sapiens in their current state of evolutionary development will naturally coalesce into groups with shared interests, ideas & needs. Or, simply for protection against those who will not submit to anarchist principals. The Anarchist assumes that through education, or force, they can convince everyone to think alike, which is a contradicts anarchist principals, due to the fact that an idea is being imposed through some form of coercion, no matter how benign.

[LaughingMan0X]

@biped19

"The Anarchist assumes that through education, or force, they can convince everyone to think alike, which is a contradicts anarchist principals, due to the fact that an idea is being imposed through some form of coercion, no matter how benign."

1) What anarchist assumes they can get everyone to think exactly alike?

2) What "anarchist principle" is contradicted?

[Twiggy269]

Bottom line, the use of force can never be an economic commidity that the rules of implimentation can be changed at whim by whomever decides it wants to change the rules. The rules defining the proper role of the gun or "government" never can be/ or do change. they are static no matter what geographical area you are in, or your belief system. A is A. 2 + 2 = 4 No man, or contract among men can change reality.

[LaughingMan0X]

The rules defining how state violence or that infrastructural/standard-opera­ting mechanisms of the state are ANYTHING but static

1) Gun Bans

2) Federal Reserve

3) Income Tax

4) Prohibition

5) Slavery

6) Secession

All of these issues pertain to rules governing the American state, that have changed drastically over time

You equated a tautology as analogical proof that social conditions don't change. This is false analogy, as it equates something that doesn't change, with something that does

[blackacidlizzard]

You know what's stupid? Ayn Rand's ROFL strawman of anarchy.

It kinda made sense when I fist read it, but I wasn't thinking much about it. And I don't remember her saying "the 'states' that are peaceful can not attack the violent 'states'" Not sure if Cropper added that or not. Doesn't matter. His vid deserves a medal. It's a rare day when someone can make so many statements at that level of idiocy in ten minutes.

[SocialAnarchism]

MrCropper doesn't seem like he's interested in discussion so much as he is in pissing people off. I'd suggest you not waste you time with his ilk.

[fringeelements]

What do you know? You're a communist.

[vaguelyhumanoid]

@dowhat93 You named 2 statist revolutions & 1 cultural one.

[awsmsc]

I generally agree with your critique, but there are a few things I wanna say:

1 - You misspelled "benefits"

2 - If the Iraq War wasn't profitable, that doesn't mean plundering isn't ever profitable.

3 - PDOs might plunder because they incorrectly think they'll profit or attack to settle a grudge even if they know it won't be profitable

4 - Iraq War costs are winding down and Iraq's GDP may go way up in the future (think post-peak oil) and there's a lot of ores in Afghanistan still untapped

[dowhat93]

This is why I dismiss the term Anarchy as a system without a state. I believe the term is a contradiction, for it is just another perfect-in-theory way of the deconstruction and reconstruction of public institutions. I'm going as far as to declare that it is the only rational way to view a political revolution.

And by the way, this was not a critique of Anarchist ideology (of which I mostly support), but its naive idealism.