Judo vs Jiujitsu

Helio Gracie vs Masahiko Kimura

Kimura Won.

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• Helio
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• Kimura

[falmeida59]

In fact, BJJ came from judo. Mitsuyo Maeda was a judoka and learned from Kano Jigoro the so called "Kano jiujitsu" and when he came to Brazil the name of the fight was Kano jiujitsu or just jiu-jitsu. The word judo was not known in Brazil until the 50's. In Japan the distintion came officialy in 1925. There were more than a hundred styles of different martial art systems called jujutsu. But the BJJ is the newasa part of the judo. Any doubts, check who was Mitsuyo Maeda.

[RedArtic]

judo came from jujitsu and bjj came from judo and not directly from jujitsu. Mitsuo Maeda taught judo to carlos gracie and the gracie's later created BJJ

[YordyMaverick]

Royce gracie es leyenda del UFC ^^

mano aririba los q piensan q royce gracie es el mejor :D

[ksungjin10]

@edyl888 i wish i was there in person. Those two are one the greatest legend out there. Helio lived a long life but most of these great masters die at such an early age. ironic isnt it?

[edyl888]

@ksungjin10 Indeed. Imagine if we could continue to learn from them until the end of our days. :\

Actually, Kimura's bio claimed that Helio was around 80kg, which is probably a guess and a bit high. That stuff about a "moral victory" due to size was more fluff made up by Rorian Gracie, without Helio's knowledge I might add. Kimura did respect the hell of out Helio though (who was also a 6th dan black belt in Judo), and apparently invited him back to teach in Japan.

[ksungjin10]

@edyl888 its sad warriors like these guys arn't immortal. you would think people who push their bodies like this would live at least a hundred years. sadly we lost kimura to cancer. Kimura himself, declared helio a winner because he didnt think a man helio's size would stand a chance against him. and the fact that kimura had him in a "kimura lock" and helio didnt tap, instead he faced the pain like a true warrior and suffered a broken shoulder.

[edyl888]

@ksungjin10 Indeed, but 10lbs or indeed any weight difference really only plays a part when all else is equal. I believe Kimura was far superior standing, so he would dictate where the fight goes...and he was at least Helio's match on the ground (technique-wise), and perhaps even better. Helio Gracie was an absolute warrior though, so anything could have happened. I respect your opinion, and agree it was certainly possible for Helio to win under those conditions, just not probable. :)

[ksungjin10]

@edyl888 yea i would say 80 pounds is a bit of an exaggeration. And they really can't say Masahiko does not deserve the win. But in my opinion, if you look at athletes today, 10 pounds is a really big difference. At this level everything counts. And I truly believe that Gracie would have won if he didn't have the weight handicap, BUT we can only speculate.

[edyl888]

@bloodline321 Helio beat Kato, who was neither #2 in Japan (as the Gracie's like to say) nor Kimura's student. The best Judoka aim for the Olympics, and only come to MMA when they are unable to compete at that level anymore. Again, why the hate? PrideFC's HW champ was a Judoka/Samboist. Sanae Kikuta won 01' ADCC, Sakurai beat a nearly 100lb heavier BJJ Blackbelt in ADCC in Rodriquez. Does this prove Judo is the best? No...my point is that it is more than you make it out to be though. Fact.

[edyl888]

@bloodline321 MMA is not just UFC. Fedor is one of the GOAT's for HW, and he used Judo/Sambo...and never trained BJJ at all. Funny you bring up "Bones" Jones as he has openly admitted to studying and using Judo in his fights. You seem to think Judo only consists of high altitude throws and nothing else, many fighters with Judo backgrounds (DHK, Okami, Jacare/Nog) use it and you probably don't even recognize it. You seemed respectful in previous posts, not sure why you're hating on Judo so much.

[edyl888]

@ksungjin10 The Gracie's are known to put their own "spin" on things. I respect them a lot, don't get me wrong...but I just wish they could admit to their own shortcomings sometimes. Kimura did have a weight advantage, I'm not sure if you've read the Gracie website, but they claim it was 80lbs! This is ridiculous of course, unless Helio was built like a small petite girl. I think Kimura would have won regardless, he was just a different sort of athlete. But admittedly, we can only speculate.

[ksungjin10]

@edyl888 helio was known to be one of the smaller ones of the gracies. Judging by the video it seems to be that Masahiko had at least 10-20 pounds weight advantage. Not that i am taking anything from masahiko, he is a legend to me and he deserves the win completely, but he DID have a weight advantage and it could have gone differently if they weighed the same.