Global Warming Debate - Introduction, part 1 of 10

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[CASTILLOM1]

Has anyone in here heard of the new NASA findings on solar maximum. According to the report, climate change is being caused by the actions of the sun which is burning at maximum surface levels causing Mercury, Venus, Earth and Mars to heat. Human action it seems has very little to do with rising temperatures on our planet. I guess "abnormal" solar activity as the cause for our heating trends makes alot of sense..... I wish it didnt.

[spoondoggled]

The earth is warming and I think it is arrogant for us to believe that we have anything to do with it. We are sill warming from the last ice age which we also had nothing to do with. Does anyone believe that the earth will stand still just because there is a "civilization" on its surface? The human existence is a flash in the pan in earth's eons. When there is a big enough change we will be reabsorbed with little trace.

[straightfacedfsu]

Look up global warming on NASA's website. The only scientists who are disagreeing with man made global warming work for oil companies you retards. The lack of understanding with respect to how science is done is absolutely appalling. I would bet the same people who don't "believe" in evidence for man made global warming share the same two charactersitics: 1. They don't believe in Darwinian evolution 2. They watch FOX news channel.

[straightfacedfsu]

@CASTILLOM1 there are massive amounts of data on the NASA website that repeatedly suggest global warming is man made. learn how to read a science journal you moron.

[shadowplayerDC]

@therealarchangel

"6.Although the amount of human-produced greenhouse gases may seem small to some people, their warming potential is amplified by the water vapor positive feedback loop (51 KB) [49], allowing them to cause significant warming and climate change. As greenhouse gases heat the planet, increased humidity (water vapor in the atmosphere) results. Since water vapor is itself a greenhouse gas, it can double the warming effect of greenhouse gases such as CO2. [9] "

- procon.org

[shadowplayerDC]

@therealarchangel

"Human-produced CO2 is warming the earth, not natural CO2 released from the ocean and other "carbon sinks." CO2 from fossil fuel combustion has a specific isotopic ratio (6.5 MB) [48] that is different from CO2 released by natural "carbon sinks." 20th century measurements of CO2 isotope ratios in the atmosphere confirm that the rise results from human activities, not natural processes. [3] - procon.org

[LiouTao]

@TheRealArchAngel err... Imma leave you alone and let you have the playing field...

[TheRealArchAngel]

"Ocean co2 about 790ppm,air co2 between 300ppm-390ppm"

Note,that that is all relative to current tempature of the ocean being about 2 degrees hotter because of the pluming cycle, bohth of them average, and both of them relative to local tempature as co2 is heat sensitive

For example there be more co2 riding with the heat in evaporation at the equator at summer then at the poles where almost no heat induced evaporation happens

With no wind or evaporation, co2 sinks",its a constant cycle

[TheRealArchAngel]

" where did the carbon that's being pumped into the atmosphere originally come from?

The Earth core is going through a "plumbing" cycle where it is pumping out more heat with it's activity as well as churning fasts

This causes more earthquakes as the plate tectonics are "accelerated" it causes subducion volvcanoes like Icelands to awaken,and it causes more heat at the release points like the sea floor where bulk of surface co2 sinks are

Ocean co2 about 790ppm,air co2 between 300ppm-390ppm

[TheRealArchAngel]

" I just dun buy the Global Warming theory. "

No it's debunked 18th century physics chemical theory nonsense that is not even testable in the field or in the lab

They measure air and surface tempature vs CO2 and other "greenhouse gases" and think they are seeing the theory in action but what they are actually observing is the Thermalhayline cycle(Ocean heat distribution)and evaporation/percitation cycle(surface to air heat distribution)..that just happens to have trace co2 and such in it

[TheRealArchAngel]

" I advocate for environmental regulations and laws"

What more is there for the EPA to regulate concerning power plants,factories and cars since the 70's?

Environuts are pretending like it is the 1950's where black smoke is still coming out of cars with no emmision controls,filters,or oxidation supression mixed into the gas and Power plants are still spueing black smoke and raining ash for miles with no water filtration,chemical filtration,paper filtration,electrostatic filtration(rollseyes)

[TheRealArchAngel]

'point was that the atmosphere is always changing."

No, co2 is a trace gas that rides the evaproation/percipitation cycle, the Evaporation/percipitation cycle being the real heat exchange mechanisim between the surface and air regardless of how much co2 is comming along for the ride

Co2 is heat sensitive and more of it leaks out of the world's co2 sinks the warmer the area with those sinks get(Deep sea,permafrost,ice,soil) allowing it to going the evaporation cycle currently at 300ppm-390ppm