@notoncemoreagain Thank you Sir! Defending the Amateur Musicians and those who listen to and create Music for just one purpose; to make others happy. And thanks for stopping a pointless argument which has gone nowhere for most likely more than 4 pages.
@ronjazz1 I feel like I am jumping in maybe a dead pointless argument. Professional classical guitarists CAN and sometimes do read tablature, but 99% of the time; its regular sheet music. I read tabs myself, but I am amateur. I CAN read sheet music; but only for piano. I have a friend that is a professional guitarist (cover band), and he made it a point to learn how to read sheet music. Tabs are for people that don't know where the notes are on the fretboard without thinking: like myself.
There are rock guitarists, there are classical guitarists, there are spanish guitarists, there are folk guitarists.........and there is John Williams. Nuff said?
@ronjazz1 You're starting to sound like a troll, so I'm probably gonna stop taking the bait, but if you do ever decide to broaden your horizons a bit, watch something like Erik Mongrain's "Equilibrium" for example, and consider how the hell one would notate it. Also, my take on notation is that of Don Ross, my prof. Anyone who hasn't had their head stuck in the sand the past 20 years knows who that is. But I'm sure you're well above him in experience, knowledge, musicality and professionalism.
Your arguments are still essentially childish and ridiculous. Just admit that you're lazy and that notation is too hard for you to grasp instead of trying, stupidly and desperately, to match wits with someone well above you in experience, knowledge, musicality and professionalism. As far as I can tell, this being youtube and all, you are the masseuse for 4 guitarists nobody ever heard of, and your idiotic take on notation is that of an ignorant, stubborn, immature amateur.
@ronjazz1 I work with 4 professional guitarists each of whom I respect infinitely more than you. They are incredibly versatile musicians, known across Canada and the world, and aren't too aloof to think that tablature is "beneath" them. They recognize the same time and place for it that I do, and have used it. This is Youtube, so all I know for sure about you is that you're some incredibly pretentious anonymity behind a computer screen who can't grasp the concept that notation has limitations.
Your silly replies are textbook arrogance. I hate to break it to you, but the guitar and guitarists are universally looked down upon by the rest of the musical fraternity because of the very naiveté you so proudly display. This has nothing to do with classical guitar, it has everything to do with musicianship and communication among musicians. Of the 5000+ professional gigs I've done in my career, I've encountered TAB exactly zero times. That's ZERO times. TAB is for the lazy.
@ronjazz1 MY arrogance? Wow... Irony is one of the little things in life that I enjoy. Textbook definition of arrogance: offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride. Read what you just wrote and then call me the arrogant one.
I hate to break it to you but there's a whole world of styles of guitar other than classical. Alternate tunings are not irrelevant, and when some artists play almost exclusively in altered tunings, hybrid tab is FAR more practical, and expected.
TAB never appears in professional situations, as I stated before. Your silly examples of alternate tunings are irrelevant and desperate. Most professional guitarists have no use for TAB. I've been a pro for over 40 years, and have taught at major music colleges in the US and Europe, and TAB is looked upon as kindergarten and unprofessional. Your ignorance is exceeded only by your arrogance.
@ronjazz1 That's incredibly naive. Most classical guitarists prefer standard notation, yes. That's fine when you're playing in standard tuning. I'd like to see you use only standard notation to learn a piece in EGDF#AC# by Erik Mongrain, a piece in CEbEbFCD by Don Ross, or a piece in BEDF#AD by Thomas Leeb. In fact, I'd go so far as to say MOST professional guitarists use both notation and tab, depending on the situation. There's nothing unprofessional about it, so quit being ignorant.
@notoncemoreagain Thank you Sir! Defending the Amateur Musicians and those who listen to and create Music for just one purpose; to make others happy. And thanks for stopping a pointless argument which has gone nowhere for most likely more than 4 pages.
PatchGuitar1 2 weeks ago
@ronjazz1 I feel like I am jumping in maybe a dead pointless argument. Professional classical guitarists CAN and sometimes do read tablature, but 99% of the time; its regular sheet music. I read tabs myself, but I am amateur. I CAN read sheet music; but only for piano. I have a friend that is a professional guitarist (cover band), and he made it a point to learn how to read sheet music. Tabs are for people that don't know where the notes are on the fretboard without thinking: like myself.
notoncemoreagain 3 months ago in playlist John Williams guitar
There are rock guitarists, there are classical guitarists, there are spanish guitarists, there are folk guitarists.........and there is John Williams. Nuff said?
MG180Man 4 months ago
@ronjazz1 You're starting to sound like a troll, so I'm probably gonna stop taking the bait, but if you do ever decide to broaden your horizons a bit, watch something like Erik Mongrain's "Equilibrium" for example, and consider how the hell one would notate it. Also, my take on notation is that of Don Ross, my prof. Anyone who hasn't had their head stuck in the sand the past 20 years knows who that is. But I'm sure you're well above him in experience, knowledge, musicality and professionalism.
moonunitenar 5 months ago
@moonunitenar
Your arguments are still essentially childish and ridiculous. Just admit that you're lazy and that notation is too hard for you to grasp instead of trying, stupidly and desperately, to match wits with someone well above you in experience, knowledge, musicality and professionalism. As far as I can tell, this being youtube and all, you are the masseuse for 4 guitarists nobody ever heard of, and your idiotic take on notation is that of an ignorant, stubborn, immature amateur.
ronjazz1 5 months ago
@ronjazz1 I work with 4 professional guitarists each of whom I respect infinitely more than you. They are incredibly versatile musicians, known across Canada and the world, and aren't too aloof to think that tablature is "beneath" them. They recognize the same time and place for it that I do, and have used it. This is Youtube, so all I know for sure about you is that you're some incredibly pretentious anonymity behind a computer screen who can't grasp the concept that notation has limitations.
moonunitenar 5 months ago
@moonunitenar
Your silly replies are textbook arrogance. I hate to break it to you, but the guitar and guitarists are universally looked down upon by the rest of the musical fraternity because of the very naiveté you so proudly display. This has nothing to do with classical guitar, it has everything to do with musicianship and communication among musicians. Of the 5000+ professional gigs I've done in my career, I've encountered TAB exactly zero times. That's ZERO times. TAB is for the lazy.
ronjazz1 5 months ago
@ronjazz1 MY arrogance? Wow... Irony is one of the little things in life that I enjoy. Textbook definition of arrogance: offensive display of superiority or self-importance; overbearing pride. Read what you just wrote and then call me the arrogant one.
I hate to break it to you but there's a whole world of styles of guitar other than classical. Alternate tunings are not irrelevant, and when some artists play almost exclusively in altered tunings, hybrid tab is FAR more practical, and expected.
moonunitenar 5 months ago
@moonunitenar
TAB never appears in professional situations, as I stated before. Your silly examples of alternate tunings are irrelevant and desperate. Most professional guitarists have no use for TAB. I've been a pro for over 40 years, and have taught at major music colleges in the US and Europe, and TAB is looked upon as kindergarten and unprofessional. Your ignorance is exceeded only by your arrogance.
ronjazz1 5 months ago
@ronjazz1 That's incredibly naive. Most classical guitarists prefer standard notation, yes. That's fine when you're playing in standard tuning. I'd like to see you use only standard notation to learn a piece in EGDF#AC# by Erik Mongrain, a piece in CEbEbFCD by Don Ross, or a piece in BEDF#AD by Thomas Leeb. In fact, I'd go so far as to say MOST professional guitarists use both notation and tab, depending on the situation. There's nothing unprofessional about it, so quit being ignorant.
moonunitenar 5 months ago