Theatre of War: T-34/85 vs.Jagdtiger feat.Pushnoy

Theatre of War unofficial video
Seelow Heights Fest
music: pushnoy.ru

song:
http://pushnoy.ru/mp3/2003-2004/Pushnoy-ru_VeselyeRammstata.mp3

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• theatre
• of
• war
• pc
• wargame
• rts
• ww2

[MalinkyaYtka]

Who sings the song, where can I find more songs by this band?

[kotovsky79]

see "about this video"

[nfnfhjvjzujk]

котовский, а ты какой программой пользовался, чтоб видеофайл сделать?

[kotovsky79]

fraps, adode premiere, vdub

мы знакомы?

[revol85]

any crack for this game?

[kotovsky79]

nay

[HeirofGojira91]

@wehrmachtR And actually Panther tank commanders knew the tactical weakness of athe Panther was the side armor hence they resolved at times to keep the frontal hull plus the PaK 42 facing Allied tanks at ALL times which showed it was actually a tactical advantage if it was long range sniping of tanks :) Which the Panther and I bet natrually the Jagdpanther did quite nicely in WWII :)

[HeirofGojira91]

@wehrmachtR Arrgghh - geez wikipedia is sure annoying - because I assumed the Jagdtiger's 80mm armor woudl be = to the Panzer IV Ausf H 80mm worth of armour which the basic Sherman had problems punching through in the hull. And the fact that ther basic Sherman's had to use AP ammunition at less than 1000 m to have a chance to even strike a Tiger I's SIDE armor - also 80mm and it probably wasn't as sloped as a Jagdtiger ... hmm but I see your point on weight issues emphasis :)

[wehrmachtR]

@HeirofGojira91 and yeah, the jagpanther is also in my opinion the best TD design in WWII.

[wehrmachtR]

@HeirofGojira91 cause putting more armor on the sides would have made it even more heavier, and it is too heavy to begin with, and it can not be so inclined, because it needs space for the massive gun breaching and stuff. that's why jagtiger should always face the enemy.

[HeirofGojira91]

@GlenIV Expensive, fuel hungry, metal hungry (needed raw materials to make the armor and gun shells :) ) - the Jagpanther actually would have completed the job nicely if not better than the two near 70 tonne behemoths, though the legacy they carved was unique if not a little tragic to change Germany's fortunes in WWII - particularly the thick armor...

[HeirofGojira91]

@wehrmachtR Actually the Jagdpanther would have been more practical as it was faster and had pretty good armor already inherited from the Panther tank chassis - and the 88mm PaK 43 mounted in the Jagdpanther made it a neat baby in the art of ambush/defence tank hunting in WWII - only problem was maintenance and raw materials needed to make enough of them. Besides the Jagdpanther solved the Elefant's speed and Nashorn's poor armor.

[HeirofGojira91]

@wehrmachtR But this is confusing if the Germans had experience in using sloped armor - how could the Jagdtiger's side armor be vulnerable? I read it was 80mm SLOPED - which should be thicker than a Panther's side armor or am I reading the wrong information? It a battle in 1945 an inexperienced Jagdtiger crew kicked the bucket after the commander panicked from a squad of Shermans who at first failed to punch the 250mm superchassis but later managed to punch the side armor...

[HeirofGojira91]

@GlenIV Is the Panther superior to a T-34/85 in a 1-1 engagement? Or the Russian tank takes it due to a bigger 85mm gun able to fire a bigger HE in 1-1 shots and the Russian tank being faster with 90mm worth of armor. Because in '44 in one battle a Panther squad with some Tiger I's took out a large number of T-34/85's and IS-2 tanks due to German training and superior optics of German tanks. How would a Panther fare though in a 1-1 then to an IS-2 tank?

[HeirofGojira91]

@ArchitectDream Because T-34/85 had a bigger 85mm gun than the Panther's PaK 42 75mm - so it would fire a bigger HE in 1-1 shots plus the T-34/85 could travel faster than a Panther. However  German crews were better trained and the Panther had superior optics plus a more accurate gun/more powerful trajectory than the 85mm ZiS 53 - even the Sherman's M1 76mm was superior to the 85mm gun! But you reckon a Panther could kill a T-34/85 before it even had the chance to knock the German tank out?

[HeirofGojira91]

@ArchitectDream And there was also the Jagpanther! Which I take since it inherited the Panther chassis it would have not only had the benefit of the 80mm front glacis armour but its drive transmission shouldn't have too much of an issue as the Germans solved (and they did correct some main problems by the Ausf G) the engine problems. Has the T-34/85 been over-rated in terms of armour and gun power? I hear like its 85mm could punch a Panther at 1000 yards or it had 90mm worth of armor.