Gay Marriage, California's Proposition 8 and the LDS Church (Part 1)

In this episode, Clark Pingree discusses California's Proposition 8 (which seeks to prevent gay marriage in California), and his disappointment in the LDS Church's involvement in supporting the initiative.

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[TheOptimusprime9]

@TheStrong32 Yes, there are straight parents who don't deserve to have custody of their children, that is the case. This shows that there are things we can choose to do that make us loose the privilege of raising children. I feel for gay people who want to start families of their own, but you can't have your cake and eat it too.

[TheStrong32]

@TheOptimusprime9 "homosexuality is counterintuitive to the desire to raise a family." Obviously, your sense is wrong. Not only do many LGBT people want to raise children, but study after study shows that they are just as capable as straight parents, & their children are just as happy, healthy & well-adjusted

" I think that raising children is a privilege, not a right." Would that that were the case! Think about how many children are beaten, abused, molested and abandoned by straight parents

[edgwaterprog]

@TheOptimusprime9 I am not sure what you mean?  What exceptions are homosexuals "making" for themselves? What principals are they not living with that heterosexuals are compelled to live?

[TheOptimusprime9]

@edgwaterprog I'm sure that they do and I'm confident that many would be capable. It just feels like they are making exceptions for themselves. Why should they get to enjoy all the same privileges that come from a heterosexual relationship without having to live by the same principles? It seems unfair to me.

[edgwaterprog]

@TheOptimusprime9 Thanks, many gays and lesbians still have the desire to raise children because it is a instinctual as our other drives, for food, for companionship, and seems to be completely separate from our orientation. Add in the fact that there are many children in the world who need a home but for whom there are not enough heterosexual couples to adopt all of them. I think many gays and lesbian feel that they are capable of raising these children to be fine adults.

[TheOptimusprime9]

It seems to me that homosexuality is counterintuitive to the desire to raise a family. This has always puzzled me that people who choose homosexual relationships still want to raise children. I think that raising children is a privilege, not a right, that is obtained by living by the principles of procreation, namely heterosexual relationships. While it is true that some hetero couples are sterile, they are still practicing the proper principle and should be rewarded for it. That's justmy 2cents

[jasontrail]

you're really lucky that you found out we just live once. after life ? happy ever after ? wake up it's fairy tales, hell or hevaen is now. it's up to you.

[omniandros2]

So you are advocating "civil unions" for everyone? And legal "marriage" for none? I used to joke about this years ago. In fact many LBGT folks currently jokingly say that we'll accept Domestic Partnership or Civil Unions only if it is the only option for everyone. But, you are actually advocating this?

[Elchochkie]

@omniandros2 This way all parties can be happy. and just argue about it in a philosophical sense. much like it is done with any other philosophical dispute.

[Elchochkie]

@omniandros2 You see now you are getting it! but the beauty of this is it doesn't matter because we can both interpret the word how ever we want in our own private institution. The problem is same sex couples want the physical benefits in society from being married. like taxes, property rights, inheritance etc. and the status of saying they are married. By allowing the government their only rightful role in enforcing and protecting contracts and alow us to define marriage privately....