Debate: Is Atheism or Islam More Rational?

Campus Atheists, Skeptics, and Humanists, along with the group Building Blocks of Islam, hosted a debate between Dan Barker, one of the co-president of the Freedom From Religion Foundation, and Hamza Andreas Tzortzis, an international public speaker on Islam.

These two excellent speakers debated the question:

Is Atheism or Islam more rational?

Dan Barker: Dan received a degree in Religion from Azusa Pacific University and was ordained to the ministry by the Standard Community Church, California, in 1975. He preached for 19 years before he gradually outgrew his religious beliefs. He is now co-president of the FFRF, an author of several books, and a speaker and debater at events around the country.
FFRF Website:
http://ffrf.org/


Hamza Andreas Tzortzis: Hamza is an international public speaker on Islam. He is a writer with articles, essays and commentaries on political philosophy, the philosophy of religion and society. Hamza is an intellectual activist actively engaging on issues pertaining to religion, social cohesion and politics.

Hamza's website:
http://www.hamzatzortzis.com/

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[daNDayati]

@gilbert4321 let's simplify this axiom and make it valid:

christians and muslims make bullshit arguments for their respective dogmas (neither one makes sense)

Non believers don't buy into religious bullshit

And please... both sides.. stop quoting your bronze/iron age text from delirious desert dwelling goatherds.. your quotes makes NO sense to anyone except your deluded selves.

[daNDayati]

@tigersforchrist you are just as bad and just as irritating as the muslims... religious idiocy is wrong no matter who advocates what...christianity has as many lies as the rest..

[daNDayati]

@faction52 and discourages free speech and freedom of thought because of the threat of terrible punishment should you criticize the koran, the islamic prophet or the islamic deity... (or death should one chose to leave that insanity).. amazing deceit..

[mphello]

@Shaam2032 There is NO proof of gods. She does not exist.

There is FAR more proof for: Bigfoot (some proof but not fully proven), space aliens (lots of proof but not fully proven), 911 inside job (little proof), Anthropogenic Global Warming (proven) than there is of "gods" or "god" (absolutely zero proof).

[Ghoshul]

@faction52 Just say that the universe is eternal, leave out the middle-man (your god), because it offers nothing. Claiming there's a first cause is not only unsupported, but it's based on intuition and inductive reasoning - which you are extrapolating to the furthest degree in the "beginning" so to speak, of the universe. This is obviously flawed. I discount comments and arguments that are nothing but assertions and absurdities. Ridiculous claims deserve ridicule by definition.

[Ghoshul]

@faction52 There doesn't "must be something". You didn't come to that from a reasoned perspective, because reason dictates support or basis, and there is none of that offered by Islam, or any theistic belief or religion. There's no good reason to believe these things are true, hence faith. This is why you have faith, and it is blind because there is no evidence. You have what people wrote, and nothing else. And you expect this to be "reasoned faith" ? Get real.

[mphello]

@TBlake34 Awesome response! I would love to force these religiontards to all be vegan under penalty of death and then preach how successful veganism is.

(I'm not being sarcastic about that.)

[mphello]

How could this Dan Barker be so stupid as to waste 19+ years of his life preaching worthless excrement before growing a brain and realizing what a colossal stupid waste it was and how much damage he had done to children and youth?

[mphello]

Only subhuman shitheads believe in gods or a god.

[faction52]

..that started this off that has at least no beginning, or arise to the conclusion that no there is no divinity we just came into existence after the Big bang. And for many muslim/theist adherents, the question arises how did the big bang come into existence. the chain of causality would continue unless there was something infitnite and not bound to beginning or end. And please dont just discount other peoples commnts in a derogotary fashion just explain your side we're willing 2 hear