Philly Hose vs Flat Load

This is a video of Oshtemo Fire Department comparing crosslay hose load deployment (twice). The first comparison is a little bias so I asked a veteran to rush on the second comparison. This video ends with how the load is to be laid out for repacking. it is repacked the same way a flat load is. This video was used to pitch a switch to the department. It worked. The personnel were very hesitant at the mention of "changing" the load; however, after months of use and training, everyone agrees it is quicker and cleaner than the "spaghetti pile" we used to get in the front yard. The Philly Hose (Triple Load or Triple Flat) is quicker, easier, and cleaner to deploy to a fire. The engine operator can charge the hose in 30 seconds making for a fast fire attack. Cornering and stairwells are the primary objections to the load. With training, they can be overcome.

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• Oshtemo
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[firechap31]

If anyone makes a video with this load deploying around obstacles or parallel to an engine, please post it here. This video was made to show my department one of many hose load options. It's not the greatest video but it did EVENTUALLY win over tradition--which dies HARD! This was certainly a pain in the *** project but worth it

[firechap31]

I'm with you Steve, i hoped to switch to the shoulder load but due to "resistance" (attitudes), the triple flat was the only option I could get the department to move to. It's an improvement from the flat load. Most people I've talked to that use the this load (triple flat--philly hose) use it on preconnected cross lays. Indianapolis (after it went metro) uses the philly hose on any cross lays; however, it's predominantly the surrounding area depts that merged into IFD that use it.

[firechap31]

Again, call it what you want...

[firechap31]

Call it what you want. Indianapolis Fire calls the load "Philly hose" and uses it on all their crosslays. That's who showed it to me.

Cornering is tough! I'd take that over the rats nest we used to get (as shown in the video). This video was put together to pitch the idea for a new hose load to the entire department. It worked. We've deployed it on a number of fires since with one hiccup; the nozzle got wedged inside the speedlay but the load still deployed.

[1203ecc1]

Great vid, but who the he%$ taught you to deploy a flat load like that????

[firechap31]

This was the way the department was teaching everyone for the last ??? many years. I went along with it until I could prove how crazy and inefficient it really was. I used this video to change the minds of the Officers, change tradition, and switch all the crosslays to the Philly load. It's painful to watch right?!

[trancasist]

como se acomoda la manguera en el camión para hacer este despliegue,les agradecería me contesten gracias y saludos

[mjsvmr00]

lol we used the tripleload for more than 10 years in the Airforce FD...Guess it takes awhile for good things to catch on!!

[Steves88lx]

This works great for exterior firefighting, If you plan on going into a burning building it still makes more sense to use a minuteman or a shoulder load, that way you can take hose into the building on your shoulder and flake it out. send me your powerpoint on loading and deployment. I am framiliar with this through the air force, but I know most departments that use it dont see a lot of fire. Compare the minuteman to triple load and it will lose. Steves88LX@yahoo.com

[jackel2126]

Good video but a flat hose lays is made so it flakes off ure shoulder 1 section at a time..... at least thats how my station does it and it comes off alot better every time.... but every1 is different

[crushedlt]

In Philly we call it triple pack and as the previous post said it can be difficult if it's a short distance from the wagon to the front door. We used triple pack for 10 years and just went back to a split flat, similar to DCFD and our guys liked the triple pack but they love the split flat pack.

[ajandb128]

every single triple fold demonstration i see on youtube is always the same. A straight stretch, unimpeded by obstacles, and not realistic. Never is 50 working feet at the objective. All hose is always stretched on the ground. And NEVER have I seen a video where it's pulled parallel to the engine, within 5-10 feet of the engine. The triple fold is great, if you don't care about overcoming the realities of the fireground.

[fyrefighter9]

this is nothing more than a triple layer load 

[mrbobie93]

hey i just joined my local FD and i know what the cross lay is but i have no clue what the pilly hose or flat load is. could you please explain for me