Ving Tsun Kung Fu - Don Chi Sau - Sifu Tom Chi

Don Chi Sau is all about the details.
From Sifu Tom Chi Catskills Moy Yat Ving Tsun Kung Fu.

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[heartslord]

Or you'd be smashed to pieces. So we don't mix that sport with VT. Even in tournaments VT doesn't look like anything because it's so close and we stop there rather than to remove a throat, etc. We have a courtesy that allows us to stop there and examine how we go to that point so that the players can learn. As great as MMA fighters are at what they do, they are not VT trained and all the benefits that entails. But that's apples and oranges.

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@rakeshjosevincent

Great Question. MMA fighters train hard and I respect them for what they do. And that is sport. It's intense and not ordinary but it's still sport. VT is not sport. Its' deadly. When we 'spar" it's always controlled (except with complete gear and even then it's controlled) because you are so close and we don't trade punches. Fight begins, fight ends. That's it. That doesn't mean it would be easy to fight a strong MMA fighter. Because you'd have to use deadly force or.....

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@heartslord

just one final question : if WC is the most scientific system, then why doesnt anyone use it in the MMA ring ?

with respect and gratitude,

Rakesh.

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@rakeshjosevincent

Feelings are important but knowledge rules this conversation. WC is both defensive and offensive. A VT player is usually not bound by uncontrolled emotion or vengeful feelings so they don't go out to cause harm. The same goes for most all martial artists. But VT is like the Terminator with a kind heart.

Having trained TCC intensively for years, it's great. NO match for VT. Period. That's all on this topic.

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@heartslord

guess TCC will do for now, and i'll keep away from WC guys like you till i learn some myself haha....

But i feel like WC is a predominantly defensive art, and you get more reach with turning strikes of TCC

so i guess i'll have to remind myself to keep the exchanges in a range thats comfortable to me.

But you guys are so good at getting close and beating the shit out of people....

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@rakeshjosevincent

Yes, means "so beautiful, brother!".

Learning this kung fu and teaching others is one of lifes great brushstrokes.

When the movie of life streams by, this is the part where you say "holy shit, THAT was GREAT!"

[rakeshjosevincent]

@heartslord

so kungfu's like guitar then?

you practice till playing becomes natural. thats interesting.

never thought of it that way....

i'll have to make my own airfare...will drop by if and when i'll have enough....

Did not understand the last part except that its maybe hindi? anyway thanks.....

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@rakeshjosevincent

Small, the tiniest movement becomes a huge breach and opening. That all sounds intangible except to a well trained VT player who will understand it in a flash. That said, TCC is a fantastic art, healthy, functional and one should not miss out on it's excellence. When the time comes perhaps you can add VT/WC. Til then, it's the same with TCC. Even bad TCC is good TCC. I learned from Master Bob Cook who is a top student of James Wing Woo, Kuo Lin Ying and T.Y. Pang. Yow!

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@rakeshjosevincent

Pt 2, There is definitely an awareness of centerline in TCC as well as using both hands in contact however the circles and turning etc., are in between VT and say Aikkido in that respect. This means it is accurate in attack and defense however it disables itself with the turning, etc., and also requires a receipt of energy for most of it's mechanisms to work whereas in VT it's simply the Terminator entering and dealing with all energies on a direct path. The bigness becomes.

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@rakeshjosevincent

Simply put Tai Chi Chuan in theory is no match for Ving Tsun. It's amazing stuff, great for health, useful for fighting for those who understand it. I've done the form thousands of times, trained sticking hands extensively.

Tai Chi Chuan has great priciples of interaction, I have no desire to sell it short. However, the VT has gone beyond other arts with it's pure physics of interaction. The zones, contacts, centerline, chi sau is simply the next evolution of kung fu.