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Ida Hammer attempts to talk to Cathy Brennan after the NYC Dyke March 2012

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Published on Jun 26, 2012

New York City—On June 23, 2012, Ida Hammer approached Cathy Brennan in Washington Square Park after the Dyke March in order to clarify that the NYC Dyke March supports all women whether they are cis, trans or otherwise.

This interaction was prompted by a number of women who attended the march coming up to Ms. Hammer to express concerns about how Ms. Brennan has been targeting women and girls because they are trans. Ms. Hammer asked if these people would like to go talk to Brennan in person.

Ms. Hammer approached Ms. Brennan and said welcome to the New York City Dyke March where we support trans women. Ms. Brennan did not seem intimidated or threatened by this welcome and said she too supports trans women. Ms. Hammer tried to have a discussion with Ms. Brennan about the concerns the women who approached her had with her aggressively targeting and harassing women and girls.

As you can see in this video captured by a bystander, Ms. Hammer is unable to communicate these concerns as Ms. Brennan continues to talk over her. So Ms. Hammer exits the conversation. Ms. Brennan continues to talk with the other women moving to another area of the park.

Later that night, Ms. Hammer posted on Twitter:

"The @NYCDykeMarch is for ALL women! All self-identified women are welcome. All lesbian, bi and queer women whether cis or trans."

Ms. Brennan replied on Twitter:

"@IdaHammer @NYCDykeMarch except wbw are not welcome. And you assaulted me. Well done dyke march! Video forthcoming."

Ms. Brennan is encouraged to post the video she has of her interaction with Ms. Hammer as a video response.

Ms. Hammer has not interacted with Ms. Brennan before or after the conversation at Washington Square Park, yet Ms. Brennan has since been aggressively targeting Ms. Hammer with the very harassment that Ms. Hammer wanted to have a discussion about with Ms. Brennan.

Video Transcription:

Brennan: And that's what this is about!

Hammer: Well okay. But...

Brennan: That is what this is about!

Hammer: I've... I've looked at your Twitter feed. (To third person:) I've looked at her Twitter feed.

Brennan: What's your name again?

Hammer: (Laughs) I don't want to be put on your hit list. I don't...

Brennan: (simultaneously) because, like I...

Brennan: I don't have a hit list! Do you not know what these guys are doing?

Third person (to Brennan ): I've seen your hit list!

(Simultaneously)

Hammer: I... Look, I'm trying to... I looked at your twitter feed and every twitter that you write is "Fuck you" "@ so and so, Fuck you" "@ so and so fuck you"

Brennan: Do you not know what these guys are doing? Do you not know what these people are doing to lesbians in the community? Are you fucking kidding me? Are you fucking kidding me?Alright.

Third person (to Hammer): Do you have to...? We don't need...

Brennan: No! No.

(Conversations split, Brennan and Hammer no longer talking to each other)

Third person (to Hammer): I have a question. (Hammer turns attention to this person). I have a question. I'm not trying to be anything, okay? Women.... (drowned out by fourth person yelling).

Fourth person (to Brennan): But how often do you like, actually let trans women have a voice? Because she... (drowned out by Brennan yelling).

Brennan (to fourth person): I have...!

Fourth person (to Brennan): No! Because she's trying to talk to you and...

Brennan (to fourth person): She's not trying to talk to me! She came up to me with her gang...

Fourth person (to Brennan): She is trying to talk to you! (Hammer turns attention to this conversation for a second, but returns it to the third person quickly and they walk out of scene).

(Incomprehensible talking between fourth person and Brennan).

Fourth person (to Brennan): As a cis-woman, as a fellow cis-woman, I'm very disappointed.

Brennan (to fourth person): I am not cis! I am not cis!

Fourth person (to Brennan): Then Why, why..?

(video ends).

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