KLTV- ESOAL pt 3

teen mania esoal pt 3

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[jefferydawson777]

besides its unfair to blame anyone for putting yourself in harms way when you know you have a condition such as anxiety disorder. i mean, if i have asma and end up going to the hospital because my drill instructor is pushing me to complete a 15mile hike with 75pounds on my back up a mountain, whos fault is that? no one but my own. even if he saw the signs..it falls on me, not him. its called owning up to responsibility.

[shannonkish]

@jefferydawson777 But that is exactly what ESOAL facilitators look for-- your weaknesses. Afraid of spiders? They make sure to add some spiders to your events so that you are pushed over the edge. Again, check out some of the videos under the name RecoveringAlumni here on YT and you will see how they purposely use your fears against you.

[jefferydawson777]

@shannonkish you know, i have a fear of the ocean. im afraid to swim past 30 meters..sharks scare me. but when i sit at the beach i think to myself, no way! ive got to over come this! so i bought fins, and snorkling gear and set of to swim past the waves. im still scared i can only imagine what it will be like when i venture 1000meters or more or do it at night. but i remain calm and collected. im teaching myself how to overvome. thats the point of esoal

[shannonkish]

@jefferydawson777 Again we will have to agree to disagree about the purpose and outcomes of ESOAL.

[daughterofchrist1000]

where does the bible say that young people will get closer to god if they roll down a hill and puke???? give me a scripture verse.. its quite the opposite in scripture. the bible says for it is by GRACE that ye are saved NOT OF YOURSELF lest no man should boast.. The fruits of the spirit is love joy peace patience kindness goodness gentleness faithfulness and self control.. this reminds me of catholic beliefs. if you suffer for god then you are more holy this is nutzzzzz

[jonesyak]

Im all for this type of training. Its only when youre at the lowest point, when you cant go any lower, and you're still standing there. Still saying, gimme what you got. Thats when you know you can hang tough. I didnt go through this, I went through military basic training. I learned alot about myself in those weeks. Its all a metal game.

[jefferydawson777]

@shannonkish i guess so, but we have the right to disagree, great ol america...thanks for talking to me, it was nice of you to be mature about the conversation. Blessings to you:) take care, and i hope you have or will get better with your anxiety disorder. ttyl:)

[shannonkish]

@jefferydawson777 We will have to agree to disagree that it is easier/nicer. Based on the videos I have seen of recent ESOALs, they are crossing the lines in many ways.

[jefferydawson777]

@shannonkish i think thats the a hard position to be in from a fascilitators point of view or just a friend who is going through it with you. Ultimately its your descion to ring the bell. and if you do, thats fine, if you dont, thats fine too. However i think the pushing to 'stay' is a tough obstical to over come. I rang the bell the last time i did it. no one forced me to stay. then again, ESOAL has changed dramaticaly from my first time. its easeir and they are nicer too. alot nicer.