Francis Collins The Language Of God 3of9

Francis Collins of the Human Genome Project discusses evolution, creationism, Intelligent Design and the harmony that can exist between faith and science.
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[Elune137]

@fctchk

Well, trojan horse sounds for me too negatively. I would just say, he's a good example of a reasonable christian who might say: I believe in this, you believe in that; but we both have common ground on the scientific evidence of evolution.

Or to say: Science is god- free but not godless. What you personally believe or not believe is a total different thing; science should never be abused for purposes on religion. So, I would say, people like him and Ken Miller make a good job.

[dougwrightiii]

Ever hear of "God of the gaps?"

[hippo11222]

I mean outside of time and space. Damn my bad grammer! lol

[hippo11222]

Well, according to believers God by definition outside the time and space. He would not be subject to probability. therefore a probability would be uncalcuable. Besides this is more of a philosophical issue than anything. There is really no sense arguing. You'll believe what you'll believe and vice versa. Its kinda pointless, but I understand your objections. Although to make it seem less cliche try to imagine God as an all pervading sentient force instead of a sky daddy.

[fctchk]

Collins is useful as a Trojan horse to sneak evolution into the rabidly religious intelligent design camp.

[triggergnu]

Good question. When reading Genesis, the original sin seems to indicate that only humans were affected by sin. We only assume that it affected the rest of the world. The theory is that the world was already in a cycle of death, but not by sin; and that man was God's special creation (or possible evolution) that had everlasting life.

Google Reasons to Believe. It's a website for theistic evolution that has a lot of answers. It's so amazing because it doesn't really contradict the Bible at all.

[LifeIsABigPuzzle]

So when was the original sin if all life evolved? Did the first single celled organisms sin?

[ogirv101]

God can't be calculated by statistics, we would be making assumptions (Something science doesn't do). Also then you go on saying their low, when you have nothign to base those statistics off, rather you have a sense of biased assumptions.

For all we know God can be 100% probable, there is no way to tell.

[ogirv101]

Lol, sorry if i offended you, you can look up Dr. Gerald Schroder, he is a Jewish professor of Physics at MIT. Look up his work on the age of the Universe and the reconcilation of the Torah and Science.

[dougwrightiii]

Secondly, I agree that the probability of any complex organism would be extremely low. But, why can't that argument be turned onto the existence of God? How improbable is a being that can create such complex organisms, the Universe,direct biological processes, along with EVERY other thing that's going on in the past, present and future? I don't know the exact #s for the odds but, I think that they might be a bit lower than some chemical reaction forming into proteins over a few billion yrs.