Pride and Warriors: Land of Free Ulster

This is a video for the Land of Free Ulster, a text-based online AOL roleplaying group. This video is about the constant war our characters face. More info about the SL: http://www.freewebs.com/landoffreeulster

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• aol
• rp
• ulster
• land
• free
• freedom
• roleplay
• ireland
• eire
• eirann
• irish

[Andulsi]

@VIOLA9927 I d go even further. i know the history of Clan Donald. Fiercely independent. They even resisted the supremacy of the Stuarts in Scotland for centuries. They were the Guardians of Gaelic Scotland. And related to Clan Colla, Conn of the Hundred Battles, etc.... . We have a word in Ireland to describe pro crown landed gentry - West Brit. To me, Clan Donald is Eastern Irish

[Andulsi]

@VIOLA9927 Don' t think the McDonalds sided with the Crown at Culloden. Nor did their kinsmen the McDonnells when they sided with the Burkes against the English King. Make no mistake, with Mhic Domnhaill and Ui hEanna family ties, I' m very closely linked to Clan Colla and the Dalriadans. And I utterly reject British rule on this Island

[VIOLA9927]

It is noteable that the ui neills always viewed the Ulaidh as a seperate people who had held a long established reign in Ulster. The Ulaidh people said they were a cruthne tribe (as we know there were many tribes of different names but all interlinked with sub septs)

[VIOLA9927]

@Andulsi Well we cannot be sure all Dalriadans descendants sided with the crown..that is an umbrella observation. However we can be sure the Dalriadans were from Ireland in the first place so the coming back is a returning not an invasion. As for the new rule that came well it was just what had happened on these isles time and time again by different peoples ..it has held longest because the majority of people desire the continued relationship.

[Andulsi]

@VIOLA9927 But whether the Ulaidh were really Cruithni or Gaedhel is open to debate. I' ve seen the original manuscripts of the book of Leinster recounting the Tain Bo Cuailgne. The story may be more true than many suppose. Niall Noigiallach was of the Connachta. I have Airgialla background in my family. South Ulster. It certainly rankles that Armagh and Fermanagh (part of the Airgialla territory) is still under the Jurisdiction of the British Crown.

[Andulsi]

It s well I know the story of Hugh O' Neill. But the Scottish planters of Dalriada origin (I myself have McDonnell Gall Oglaigh family) sided with the British crown against their own kinsmen. What is also true is that the majority of people in Ireland are in fact not ethnically much else than the original Neolithic Iberian settlers. All subsequent invasions were had more of a cultural impact than a genetic one. I still view the plantation of Ulster as an aggressive act of colonisation.

[VIOLA9927]

ANDULSI correction to my last comment 700BC Cuithne settled in parts of north and some parts of Ireland. The south was then settled by Halstter celts who had sailed directly from Gaul. The gaels from Iberia came around 200BC and it seems they began to overrun the previous settlers in the south of Ireland and to establish 2 tier European style system of ruling class and druids and the other comprising the earlier inhabitants who were the food providers.

[VIOLA9927]

Andulsi Ulster only had gaels in it at that time because they had pushed in and usurped it from the Ulaidh and what rem.ained of the cruithne and sub septs The Catholic and Nationalist people you mention state their line from the Iberian lineage around 6 or 500BC. The earlier people the Ulaidh and cruthne came a different route around 200BC. However I see you are inclined to go for the scientific and archaeological approach like myself which I believe is the only way :)

[VIOLA9927]

yes the Ulaidh were indeed still in Ulster at the time you say and it was when the ui neills overcame them and burnt down their high place of navan fort that the ui neills finally obtained the line of kings. However the Ulaidh and Cruithne with kin tribes were a long established people from before the later wave of gaels arrived :)

[VIOLA9927]

@Andulsi Yes but remember Hugh O`neill rode in the first place with the English against his fellow irish men before changing sides and when they were defeated he kept his title of earl of tyrone and much of his lands. He afterwards decided to take himself and family from Ireland so not so much of a flight there ..was it!! And many of those scoth planters trace their families back to the scottish Dalriada and had their names Anglicized for them so read that up before talking!!