350 leaders under the age of 30 met at Sojourner's Justice Revival in Columbus, Ohio to discuss social justice and activism. Shane Claiborne, of The Simple Way, spoke to the young leaders.
In general Mr. Wallis statements sound good but it has no merit in biblical terms
It is not the church or a government to bring/force social justice. Individuals should have the choice to choose whether are not they want to help the poor.
Proverbs 17:23 A wicked man take a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment.
Shane misunderstands basic economics...he sees wealth as a limited concept (Marxism). Take this example: Grand Rapids, Muskegon, and Holland Michigan Metro Area (something like 1.2million people) produces just as much wealth as the whole nation of Indonesia and its 110million ppl. Shane would see: how can the Michiganders give up their wealth to give it to the Indonesians, the truth asks: how can Michiganders unlock Indonesian capacity to produce wealth at same levels as they themselves do?
If Jesus/God can forgive peter for betraying him 3 times back-to-back even though he knew who Jesus was, then surely he will forgive anyone for any sin. I feel we just need to realize and believe he is lord and savior and fight for him rather than our self. Your nature will change from loving sin and feeling no problem with it to hating it and crying out for help to combatant it.
And the if "movement" is honest it will find that our churches and lives dont measure up, and cant measure up - ref the sermon on the mount - I dont think Jesus was looking for the crowd to throw him a bouquet for his great morals - nor was he evincing an intention for us to go and perform the impossible - the law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ (ie. repent and agree with God about our hopeless estate). Go feed the poor, go free the opressed but do not confuse the Law with the gospel
Good comments but I have to say that your garden variety emergent could not sum anything up in one sentence. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 provides a good summary of what the gospel is. Wretched we are - totality of our rebellion Romans 3:9-10 and 18 and 7:18 ; thus in his total rebellion everything man does is sin Romans 14:23 (Whatever is not from faith is sin); Ephesians 2:3 etc, etc. Of course we are not as bad as we could potentially be but for Gods restraining common grace
@stopularno
Yes... This fits clearly with the commandmant Jesus gave to the wealthy young man!
"If you would be perfect, go, unlock the poors' capacity to produce wealth at the same level you, yourself, do."
Real Economics Reality Check: Every single dollar you possess - right now - was possessed by someone else before it was redistributed to you.
(The only possible exception - you are a government contractor. Then the dollar you possess may have come fresh off the press.)
termsofusepolice 1 year ago
In general Mr. Wallis statements sound good but it has no merit in biblical terms
It is not the church or a government to bring/force social justice. Individuals should have the choice to choose whether are not they want to help the poor.
Proverbs 17:23 A wicked man take a gift out of the bosom to pervert the ways of judgment.
MrConsitution 1 year ago
Sojourners is heretical.
Hubie59 1 year ago
shane spoke at Urbana 09 SO AWESOME
TsD1455 2 years ago
Shane misunderstands basic economics...he sees wealth as a limited concept (Marxism). Take this example: Grand Rapids, Muskegon, and Holland Michigan Metro Area (something like 1.2million people) produces just as much wealth as the whole nation of Indonesia and its 110million ppl. Shane would see: how can the Michiganders give up their wealth to give it to the Indonesians, the truth asks: how can Michiganders unlock Indonesian capacity to produce wealth at same levels as they themselves do?
stopularno 2 years ago
If Jesus/God can forgive peter for betraying him 3 times back-to-back even though he knew who Jesus was, then surely he will forgive anyone for any sin. I feel we just need to realize and believe he is lord and savior and fight for him rather than our self. Your nature will change from loving sin and feeling no problem with it to hating it and crying out for help to combatant it.
Dejavu12321 2 years ago
And the if "movement" is honest it will find that our churches and lives dont measure up, and cant measure up - ref the sermon on the mount - I dont think Jesus was looking for the crowd to throw him a bouquet for his great morals - nor was he evincing an intention for us to go and perform the impossible - the law is a schoolmaster to bring us to Christ (ie. repent and agree with God about our hopeless estate). Go feed the poor, go free the opressed but do not confuse the Law with the gospel
lahridon2000 2 years ago
Yep - agree to the extent it is not inconsistent with the Gospel.
lahridon2000 2 years ago
Yep they sure cant and they sure dont.
Yep also agree context is important
lahridon2000 2 years ago
Good comments but I have to say that your garden variety emergent could not sum anything up in one sentence. 1 Corinthians 15:1-4 provides a good summary of what the gospel is. Wretched we are - totality of our rebellion Romans 3:9-10 and 18 and 7:18 ; thus in his total rebellion everything man does is sin Romans 14:23 (Whatever is not from faith is sin); Ephesians 2:3 etc, etc. Of course we are not as bad as we could potentially be but for Gods restraining common grace
lahridon2000 2 years ago