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[xyjah]

@hrbear You are very welcome for the responses I know its not easy to change ones thinking on things they've been convinced of we all make changes when we want to do what's right. I myself enjoy science and just like they've taught us in science you experiment and you test. To me science is the study of life and the world around us and I believe firmly that you won't get a complete picture with science if you don't include God. Anyway enjoyed the convo have a good one :)

[xyjah]

@hrbear While I've grown up with Christianity I don't just accept things as a fact that "can be". It's different for some I guess but I firmly believe in what the Bible says at Rom 12:2 :And quit being fashioned after this system of things, but be transformed by making YOUR mind over, that YOU may prove to yourselves the good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

I had to prove to myself through research what the Bible says is true, not just what someone else told me was true.

[xyjah]

@hrbear Once again you will need to look at the words used for translation, the hebrew word used for god in those verses are the same used for theos. Also what you are telling me is that the Bible is contradicting itself because it plainly says that no man has seen God. So unless you are saying the Bible contradicts itself there is more research that obviously needs to be done before you can say that humans actually say God.

As for your example you lost me at the blob part.

[xyjah]

@hrbear Also If we read further in John 1:18 it tells us that "No man has seen God at anytime; the only begotten god who is in the bosom position with the father is the one who explained him" If Jesus was god than this scripture would be a contradiction.

Also if someone is begotten than they are "born" or "beget" by someone else, which would stand to reason that Jesus the son was not always around instead he too had a beginning and was created just like humans were.

[xyjah]

@hrbear Also In John 1: 1 where it says : "In the begininning was the word and the word was with the God" The greek word used for God θεόν, theon means "God or God almighty or the God" in the second part of that scripture "and god was the word" the Greek word used is θεὸς theos which can mean "god or god like" these are two different spirits mentioned in this scripture Theon "The Father" theos "The Son"

[xyjah]

@hrbear I see where you are getting at by saying that word can also mean reason but in all honesty that is a moot point because if we are discussing not the translation or interpretation of the word "Word/Reason" but what the "word/reason" actually was in the translation.

[DominoChild]

wow its interesting how one belief is conected to another one and that is connected to another etc.

[xyjah]

I'm sorry I should have made that generalization for the language. I'm not going to explain what a definite or indefinite article is as you can easily look that up for yourself instead of me telling you. I should have said that this scripture does not use the articles when it was translated.

The scripture could be translated: "the logos (word) was divine","the word was a god", "God of a sort the word was". Also how can u "be with" and "be" that same person.This made no sense so I researched it.

[jbooks888]

the greek language does not have a definite article??? what are you tlking about?

[xyjah]

I agree with you that not all Bible translations are correct because a number of them are changed even the King James Version. Rev 19:10&20:4 makes sense it does not mention Jesus here as being God. Luke and Matt. definition for obeisance. The Pharisees are the last persons to quote as they were trying to kill Jesus period so they would say anything John 20:28 Jesus is still God's son making him divine. Look up John 20:17,31 ; Rev. 3:12 Jesus speaks of "his" God.Respond to scriptures as I've u