HR676 - The Single Payer Solution, Part 2 of 4
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We are tired of health insurance greed. We are tired of not getting what we pay for. We are tired of middlemen (the private insurance companies) interfering with needed care prescribed by our doctors and nurse practitioners. Private health insurers are a waste and a drain on our system and a threat to the health of our nation. We all should be getting better care.
HR 676, improved and expanded Medicare for All is the answer. Publicly funded, privately delivered care. That's the American way!
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Death Panels exist today a sick 17-year-old girl needs a liver transplant. Doctors find an available organ, & they're ready to operate, but the bureaucracy - the "death
panel" -steps in &says it won't pay for the surgery
Despite protests from girl's family &her doctors, the heartless hacks hold their ground for a critical 10 days. Eventually, under massive public pressure, they relent, but the girl dies before the operation can proceed
Who did it?Not govt, but private corporate health insurer
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@045781 Money is just a medium of exchange. Nothing more, nothing less. It makes transacting efficient, that's all. Issues such as these focus on money rather that the real issue of forcing someone to provide a good or service rather than relying on voluntary transactions.
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@sambking i yes, i used to bang him...i sure will lil buddy...ill read the whole thing since the evil public schools kept it from me.....question, how do you get your health care.......u pay for it is not an acceptable answer....work,school, private etc....
Suck my nutz
ps ..nothing personal its just that suck my nutz has become my online signature... k bye
Suck my nutz
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"Deregulation" in any industry very little to do with actually removing govt from the industry which is always the root of the problem. Where is the "guaranteed quality" going to come from once all the doctors move to Asia to practice medicine in a free-er market environment? The waiting lists for care will be absurd with fewer and fewer doctors in the US. I agree that govt has to get out of healthcare but the new proposals give govt more control over it.
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I suggest you read some of Ludwig von Mises work on basic economics, econ that is not taught in public schools because it does not buy into the Keynesian utopian fantasy of spending our way to prosperity. In order to make a case for anything it is a good policy to understand the basic foundation that your argument is based upon. Why don't we just print TRILLIONS to pay for all the "free" health care that you want? Ever heard of Zimbabwe or the Weimar Republic in Germany in the '20s?
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@sambking dont worry about the money...if we use the same amount of money we spend now wed be alright..you know y...because we could use all the billions in health insurance profits to actually cover ppl instead...boom there is your answer buddy
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Why do some people think that HR676 (a public option) or rather... a government run INSURANCE SYSTEM is somehow a government takeover of health care itself??
Perhaps if those of you who are fearful and living with your head under the sand might want to consider actually investigating the idea of Single Payer.
Oh, and allowing across state line competition would be the absolute worst we could allow... look at what that did for the credit card companies.
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when you pass single payer people can get better jobs that didn't offer health insurance this way people have more money and this way people can live healthier lives instead of having a job with health insurance that pays minimum wage but hey you got health coverage
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so I guess we are just supposed to pay premiums for insurance and let them decide who lives and who dies? Acording to the GOP thats what is supposed to happen.
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Reality is stronger than conservative fear tactics. most americans do not react to fear as republicans and so they proceed forward for others than themselves
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What, is "the system" going to hold a gun to doctors heads and force them to work for peanuts? Where is the money going to come from to pay for everyone???? The reason the system is so "broken" at the moment is because of too much govt interference. So you think the answer is MORE govt???????
It all seems great until you have to answer the question.....WHERE IS THE MONEY GOING TO COME FROM???????
sambking 2 years ago
The government interference that has broken the system is Reaganomics/deregulation and laws pushing privatization. Medicare Part D laws prevent Medicare from negotiating drug prices (so we pay more than any country). Medicare Advantage laws pay a higher per-capita cost to private insurers for people that are tricked into opting out of Medicare and into an HMO-like plan, where care can and is being denied to the elderly. I'd rather pay 1/2 for guaranteed quality care than sustain bad insurers.
headstorms 2 years ago 4
In UK, the National Institutional for Clinical Excellence (NICE) determines whether if people can qualify for medical care. Their budget for the elderly and life threatening illness is $35,000. If treatment surpasses this cost, the patient will be limit to care to survive as long as s/he could. Further, the life saving medicines and procedures are very limited. Insurance co can reject care as you say, so can NICE, a govt program Obama wants to emulate in his health care to reduce cost.
hoorano 2 years ago
You need to get your facts (and your currency conversion) straight. NICE limits depend on additional years of life expectancy and quality of life -- and as such the limits can be higher. Every system (even ours) has rationing, because health care is a limited resource. The difference is that care is dispensed sensibly in other countries. The US system is completely IRRATIONAL. We do need (evidence-based) sanity-checking on the use of expensive drugs with no better outcomes than cheaper ones.
headstorms 2 years ago 2