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Defending the West: A Critique of Edward Said's Orientalism

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[IceneBoudicca]

"UN Development Programme 2003: total number of books translated into Arabic in the last 1,000 years is fewer than those translated in Spain in the last year.,," Wow!! Poor devils across the Arab world don't get a chance to see how the other half live, love and learn. Ibn Warraq is a very understated, erudite man, and a most interesting writer.

[Winston2004]

i just ordered the book

[SinhaHelaya]

What an amazing intellectual. But sadly I don't think he can even set foot in today's Middle East without fearing for his safety.

[moscosmos1989]

@lchamney Couldn't agree with you more. This is coming from an ex-muslim

[lajungesombre]

@CMTours732 lol no probs. i dont really mean what i said. but i said it to remind you that, dude, chill out. really chill out. there are tons of muslims out there, tons of islamic literature, and its just dumb to talk about all of it unless u really know all of it. im not saying that we shudnt critique wats goin on, but that we shud do it prudently and rationally. i do hope u have a great life (obviously!) :-)

[CMTours732]

@lajungesombre LMAO, didn't realize it was humanly possible to pack that much ad hominem into one youtube response, but okay! Honestly, I needed a laugh. That was great.

[lajungesombre]

@CMTours732 lol backward araby? maybe u shud suck a big dick n realize that 1. u arent that smart 2. no one will ever really give a shit about ur opinion 3. u r going to die a loser, middle class, overweight and bald 4. u might as well just kill urself

[lajungesombre]

@CMTours732 lissen asshole, lets be real, we all watch southpark. u r gonna end up pushin paper for 40 000 a year, your wife is gonna cheat on u n give ur neighbours son a blowjob, and your daughter will be a lil whore. ur son wont give two shits about, and thats pretty much when ull realize that u r bald, overweight, over the hill, and just up the creek without a paddle. so fuck off. noone gives a shit about u or what u think

[garybsg]

@lchamney The "West" doesn't need to have a sense of superiority, it is vastly superior to Islamic countries. BTW you wonderful Indonesia is persecuting Christians like every other muslim country and Indonesia slaughtered many Timorese until they broke away. Islam is an a violent intolerant ideology totally inferior to the "West".

[lchamney]

@CMTours732 Out of curiosity, how do you define backwardness?

[lchamney]

@CMTours732 Yet, you've just constructed both East and West as categories that preclude individual distinctions. Western people are not all secular, Eastern people are not all theocratic. The current backlash against abortion and LGBTQ rights in America right now shows how many people in the West are not secular. Similarly, many large-scale democratic movements in Arab countries tend to be secular pushbacks against theocratic dictators supported by the West. Generalizations don't work.

[lchamney]

@CMTours732 I lived for four months in Indonesia, which, while neither theocratic, backwater, or Arab, but is a majority Muslim country, and they were some of the best months of my life. In many ways, you just showed Said's point about Orientalists: Generalizing the Muslim east as being not a collection of individuals but of states, using examples, such as the Arab league, and applying them to the whole, and doing so to construct an otherwise undefinable "West" to draw a sense of superiority.