:: Noam Chomsky : Two kinds of democracy 2/3 ::

Noam Chomsky on democracy, propaganda for democracy, manufacturing consent, media control, elitism, bewildered herd, public relations etc.

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[KraljevicPavle]

*Head explodes from sheer influx of understanding and truth*

[MshrF]

Thx for Posting.

[Exploer8591]

@ thespacialone: Do you think that the response might be different if the roles were reversed and the working class were suddenly in control over the lives of the super elite, kind of like the movie Trading Places with Eddie Murphy and Dan Aykroyd? The “proletariat” (the working class), holding ultimate power, may become highly organized and self-controlled, while the super elite, loosing all control over their lives, might become volatile and reactionary. Chomsky sees clearly!

[centurion180ad]

It is a mass murdering Debt Syndicate, a homicidally insane mafia.

[wbballew]

Noam!!!

[thespacialone]

LOL what did he (really) say at 6.45??

[1844Freddy]

Noam sounds more spirited and forceful than usual here

[metalreign81]

People should just mooooo!!!

[thespacialone]

@PavedStones You make lots of good points, but your contention that IQ relates very much to education is false. Rather, its determinant is overwhelmingly genetic, and this has been proved beyond doubt by testers. State education has succeeded far more effectively at making smart people dumb than the less mentally well endowed intelligent. All education can do is unleash our mental potency (or retard it), but it is incapable of producing it in itself.

[thespacialone]

Just when you think he's going to elaborate and provide some rationale for the ostensibly sham accountability in his (version 1) democracy, he fudges and does his usual about turn, with his populist, but seemingly irrelevant for discussion of the point raised, caricature of "wicked" elitists. Mr Chomsky, history has amply demonstrated that wicked though they may be, elite behaviour and attitudes are relatively saintly compared to those your beloved proletariat voices whenever given the platform.

[PavedStones]

Also, it's kind of a cyclical logic: people are dumb and incompetent to have a say in the management of their own affairs, so we need an elite of rich and intelligent men to run the country, so the elites then are justified to manage them ideologically by dumbing them down and brainwashing with the right message through the mass media, so the population ends up becoming really stupid, so we need more elitism, etc.

On the overall I think this is not very good and that more democracy is better.

[PavedStones]

Which brings me to my last point, that the dumb masses are often much more reasonable and responsible in their opinions than the ruling elites, e.g. people tend to be always opposed to for example wars etc, obviously unlike the people in charge.