Jesus' Sacrifice & Sin Redemption - A.E. #545

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Episode: #545
23 March, 2008
Topic: Cracking the Easter egg. Don & Matt talk about all those facts about Easter that you'd never learn in church.




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[wiiTiny]

So I'm guessing you just discovered you were wrong about the cannibalism thing.

[kyokumajr]

?

1. I was making fun of you, but oh well

2. Some actually believe in trasustantionation seriously taking place.

[Diomedes01]

The whole 'sacrifice' aspect of Christianity is the one thing that really made me discount their rendition of salvation. (Not that I believe any of that mystical nonsense)

But the 'sacrifice' is nothing of the sort when you think about it logically. Jesus=God. God cannot die by definition so he is omnipotent. So where is the sacrifice? That is the equivalent of saying my video game character on Grand Theft Auto sacrificed something.

[kyokumajr]

If they started imposing bronze age myths on me sure I would.

[Enzo012]

He died but then he came back again. As of course we're all going to do but all at once together at the same time. Then we stand to be judged and all that business, unless of course you repented your sins to Jesus in which case you get a free ticket to paradise because Jesus already paid your fee for admission. So that's the idea of it.

[viridismonasteriense]

@KAIZERCZAR "It should be seen from the foregoing that Jesus did not come to save the world, or to save any one in the world"

eh...

Luke 9:56 "For the Son of Man did not come to destroy men's lives but TO SAVE THEM."

Luke 19:10 "for the Son of Man has come to seek and to SAVE that which was lost."

John 12:47 "And if anyone hears My words and does not believe, I do not judge him; for I did not come to judge the world BUT TO SAVE THE WORLD.

The Bible would disagree there.

[GermanChocolateCake]

@wiiTiny Actually, let's see YOU explain the supposed miracles and back them up with plausible evidence of both their occurrence and their implied nature as supernatural events.

Let's see you do so without reference to your scriptures. Let's see corroborated, non-scriptural, accounts of said events occurring.

We await your findings.

[RadarKat73080]

OMG! You killed Bunny! You bastards!

[KAIZERCZAR]

A factor militating against the acceptance of the LAW of THOUGHT as DESTINY is the belief in vicarious atonement. If individuals may be relieved of the consequences of their "sins" by the sacrifice of another, there is no REASON for the belief in JUSTICE. The hope of eternal bliss in heaven, & the fear of eternal suffering in hell, as reward/punishment for the acts of one short life on earth, & based upon the mere acceptance/rejection of doctrine, dull the Perception & stagger Understanding.

[KAIZERCZAR]

It should be seen from the foregoing that Jesus did not come to save the world, or to save any one in the world; that he came to SHOW to the world, that is, to the disciples or any others, that each one could save himself by changing his mortal body into an IMMORTAL body. There is enough left in the books of the New Testament as evidence that Jesus was one of The "Order of Immortals", of The Order of MELCHISEDEC. The story of Jesus will be the story of the one who by thinking discovers himself.

[AceofDimonds0]

no father (godly or otherwise) would sacrifice and torture his own son, even if it was for the greater good.

[zhandisouza]

@TheLoquid GET OUT SATAN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[PDzero]

Not to redo the discussion, but i'll ask you a question regularly used on the Atheist Experience and that is: When it comes to knowledge and belief, wouldn't you want to know as much true things a possible and as few faulty things as possible"? I'm curious to your answer.