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[BeondaPale]

Oh I see now -- common ploy -- massively misrepresent what a movement stands for by using the radical fringe of the movement to define its entirety.

Totally dishonest on its face.

I will now ask you to prove that this is what the movement is really all about. You will counter with examples of the extreme actions of a very small minority, rather than the far more mainstream and practical positions of changing power supplies, and other easily attainable solutions.

[BeondaPale]

Then, in keeping with your basic dishonesty, you will claim that leaders who seek to change the verifiably unsustainable status quo are REALLY dictator wannabes who REALLY desire to enslave all humanity.

You will do this while wholeheartedly seeking to avoid the REAL and far more civil discussion - one of dispassionate, logical and objective science.

Does it appear as if I've heard this all before?

[jprational]

Al Gore is the fear monger. To paraphrase Al Gore: "I claim that human productivity is going to lead to climate disasters... the evidence is far from conclusive (but I'll preach otherwise), but we must play it safe and install totalitarian governments to restrict people from creating wealth."

Anyone who thinks that he is deserving of consuming/controlling wealth that another human created is a dictator wannnabe.

[jprational]

The environmentalist movement IS anti-human at its root. It's utopia is a world in which humans do not exist.

What good could come from negotiating with the demands/requests/laws that come from that premise?

Internet debates never end. I've stated my case and have identified the players and issues enough for a 3rd party to rationally consume. I'll not reply to this thread any more.

[sharkblubber]

thats incorrect, sustainability is the key factor in the environmentalk movement. The green movement is pro human as by carrying out unsustainable practices, such as overconsumption and use of non renewable resources we are shooting ourselves in the foot and lowering our and our future generations futures. Sustainability is common sense. we can have an impact as long as it is not permanent or so severe that the environment/species/ecosystems cannot recover.

[jprational]

"Overconsumption" and "sustainability" are undefined and subjective words used for political purposes. They appear to lead your particular brain to imagine Gore's doomsday scenario as a given fact, and are unconnected to reality.

Humans manipulate the earth (resources) to turn them in to useful products valuable to humans. All animals do this.

"Ecosystems cannot recover" is used politically to suggest that anything non-human must remain untouched... impossible without the death of humanity.

[eldictator1]

This isn't a green debate it's now become an opposition to al gore debate, a democrats vs republicans the very thing we don't need. I don't understand why people wouldn't want green tech or to save money and resources. Alterior motives at hand especially when I saw a petro chem ceo on faux news a few days ago disregarding the evidence

[MiracleMile90]

@markbotv3: Capitalism has lasted 10k years? I don't think so. Try a few centuries at most.

[15hmael]

@jprational "All animals do this." I'm trying to think of an animal, plant or bacteria whose 'product' once consumed and discharged as waste is not only not useable by another species for years,decades,centuries or even longer but in many cases causes the extinction of said species far exceeding what is considered the normal background extinction rate.Hence the words,"Overconsumption" and "sustainability"

[VictorLepanto]

@eldictator1: That is too funny! "Green tech" saves money. I guess I am talking to a major Solyndra investor. "Green tech" means well connected & protected crony capltalist industries. Solyndra et al are nothing more then slush fund for hiding bribe money & kick backs.

[TheOmniscient232]

the site is called rationalopinions? how appropriate.

[ShalomYal]

@jprational WTF? give me a break! So the opinions of the AAAS and the NAS and many others is just crap? So what you are saying is that the really smart people who have the facts are wrong - but any other opinion will do - what? What totalitarian restrictions are you referring to? Imagine a world without pollution - oh you are right - that does sound scary!!! OOOOH PS most economists agree - switching from a fossil fuel based economy to a solar/wind economy will actually produce more jobs.

[MiracleMile90]

Honestly.........not only is this a crock, but the use of Nazi imagery also actually damages the reputations of those people who do legit research on them and their acolytes, etc.!

[groovequantize]

Wow anyone insane enough to post this wastes the rest of our oxygen

twice the polluter.

[MacGyverinSpace]

OMG! I knew that the people behind Climate Change were all Nazi industrialists! I can't tell if this video is supposed to be radically critical of rightwing politics or is a complete FAIL by a climate denier. Laughably so, or just a real, real bad equation by a critical environmentalist. Either way it is incredibly stupid.

[katakanadian]

Before you claim to know what is going on with the climate you should spend a few hours reading through the "skepticalscience" website.

[seeqer66]

That's funny. A completely pointless attack on science using Godwin's law by a site called "rational opinions". Nothing rational about this.