[Mirror] The Days After Peak Oil

Original Video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhYoXG9Mnmk&NR=1

Original Description: This subject is getting more and more widespreadly debated... but not quite enough. What do we substitute oil with? Will we move on to the next resources to deplete, or will we make our economy sustainable? What technology is out there? This short documentary covers a small part of this topic.

Look at the links below to find out more about the speakers and information shown in the film:

www.peakoil.nl
www.peakoil.com
www.theoildrum.com
roberthirsch.com
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hirsch_report
www.iammea.org/awissner
peaknik.blogspot.com/2008/01/aaron-wissner-how-peak-oil-changed-my.html
english.aljazeera.net/HomePage
www.globalchange.com
www.youtube.com/user/CliffKFF
www.solarpaces.org
www.trec-uk.org.uk/csp/costs.htm
thefraserdomain.typepad.com/ energy/2005/06/university_of_n.html
www.youtube.com/user/CliffKFF
www.youtube.com/user/TheModernMystic
www.youtube.com/user/sickliberal
www.valcent.net
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=woEgiQ

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[christo930]

I want someone to explain to me why we can't build windmills, nuclear, hydrothermal etc next to an oil field and pump the oil at an energy loss? If there is an excess of electricity, you can use it to pump oil from the ground at an energy loss. Peak oil IS a LIQUID fuel problem. We are also dismissing the price system. As the price of oil rises, less efficient uses of oil cease! It's not going to cut across all uses evenly because the price system will force bad use out of the system.

[VarmitC]

There may be all kinds of effects, and some different types may be more isolated than wide-spread. We aren't sure specifically because we can't know all of the future variables that will come into account, not to mention that this is a global problem.

Then again, I'm not well versed enough to specifically deconstruct your comment. I'm just aware of the issue. So, that's just my opinion.

[NeuterSkooter]

I predict that we hit peak oil 4 years ago

[VarmitC]

I concur. ^^

[iooo007]

so if the world peaks before we take any real action for reducing oil dependency ,the society will brake down ,think about it 3 times lower in 30 years personal transportation ,cars acount for ~30% of the oil use the rest is comercial transports chemicals energy ,in 10 years you can't have all car sales to be electric ,you can't go from power from oil to a lot more power from renwabal sources etc ,once the peak with no action taken before were doomed i mean the litle people not the rich .

[VarmitC]

It looks as though we've passed peak, if you trust the military estimates of when the production decline should start at the tail end of 2012.

[VarmitC]

None of that debunks the fact that peak oil exists, but are *potential* reasons for why we should worry *less*.

[VarmitC]

I agree. There is no debate.

[christo930]

@Standuble Sure it can, for one, the hydrogen economy becomes possible with fusion because with low cost electricity, we can made our own hydrogen, we can also make liquid ammonia for running automobiles and we can pump and process oil at a net energy loss for things like plastics and other petrochemicals.

[Standuble]

@christo930 Unless you're using fusion, that's a heck of a lot of renewable power plants across the world being used to extract oil to keep up with demand. Besides, fusion can't replace oil unless fusion energy can on its own be formed into plastics, petro-chemical fertilisers, asphalt and vehicle fuels without relying on oil which is a criticl component in all of these.

[christo930]

@Gumbi1012 Fusion isn't 30-40 years away, it's a technological or engineering feat away, which could be next week or never or anywhere in-between. Fusion, even dirt cheap fusion doesn't necessarily mean we will be driving as much.

[christo930]

@Standuble You can drill oil at negative EROEI as long as the input energy isn't oil and doesn't cost more than the oil. For example, we could build a solar thermal plant near shale and use the heat or electricity produced by the solar plant to pump oil at a net energy loss. Remember, not all forms of energy are equal. Peak oil is a liquid fuels problem.

[Gumbi1012]

@christo930 Fusion isn't likely to be possible for another 30 to 40 years. More for it be commercially available. Not to mention the possibility of some country holding it to ransom, potentially starting a world war. I don't see the logic in us driving a lot less if we have fusion...

[christo930]

@Gumbi1012 Fusion would be a total game changer, even certain types of fission would do a great deal. We can eliminate a lot of the oil we use for heating with electricity. We can also accept that we are going to be driving less, a lot less.

[Gumbi1012]

@christo930 LOL. Oil cannot be replaced by even a combination of other energy sources. It's that simple. The numbers don't lie. If you'd like me to cite and explain my answer, I will. But the base facts are that we simply use too much of everything.

[Standuble]

I have a question, is EROEI proportional to money received over money invested, providing prices aren't fiddled? If we would eventually be drilling at an energy loss, would we also be drilling at a constant financial loss too? Would any oil companies be altruistic enough to intentionally sink into debt to keep world oil moving? Or would they start charging ridiculous amounts of money that nobody can afford?

Another question: would a big oil field which works at a financial loss be irrelevant?

[christo930]

@VarmitC Thanks. I do accept peak oil and I think we actually peaked a few years ago (conventional oil, not all liquids). I used to worry about it a great deal but when I started to realize that the pricing system would really, really help and that there was no reason that we can't pump oil at an energy loss, so long as the input energy isn't oil, it helped my a great deal. The one inescapable fact is that unless an alternative SOURCE of energy is found, we will eventually be less wealthy.