Caine Mutiny - Meeting After the Trial

This is a scene from the end of The Caine Mutiny.

Category:

Film & Animation

Tags:

• Caine
• Mutiny
• Humphrey
• Bogart
• Officers
• Navy

[airdriver]

If you read the book, you'll find the real reason behind Keefer's hatred of Queeg. Keefer had a chance to meet with his younger brother Roland when the Caine was anchored next to Roland's ship. But Queeg didn't let Keefer go visit his brother because of some paperwork. Roland's ship then left and Roland was later KIA. The movie skipped over that part of the book. Keefer and the other officers were wrong, no question about that. I'm not defending them. But that's why Keefer hated Queeg.

[dbkny2000]

Thanks .... great ending to a great movie... Just noticeed no background music adding to the tension

[Turnback]

Jose Ferrer stole the film in this scene.

[isukaman]

Jose Ferrer is terrific.

[painxtreme]

@tkcarr I agree, and I hope, you, as I have seen this as a good, rigorous and stimulating discussion, and not a typical online pissing contest. I can and do debate and discuss vigorously, as I enjoy the exchange. If I said anything untoward in my assertions or points, I do apologize, and thank you for the discussion.

You are so very right about conscience, and the haze of war is a multiplier of course. Most rise, some fall apart, and then theres the occasional video game Rambo. Cheers!

[painxtreme]

@painxtreme If we are talking pure Narrative terms, to me Caine is about manipulation, but not so simply. It balances on a pin. Mentally or Physically ill, if command is too ill to carry out their mission, it is the duty of the Wardroom to help him by temporarily relieving him of the burden of command. Just supporting, or humoring a commanding officer that is losing his grasp is endangering a ship and all souls on board. We are left to sift the duty from the manipulator propelling it

[tkcarr]

@painxtreme True, I am not sure that anyone was ordered to fire at Kent State. I think that was more panic and lack of training and control than following an illegal order. But we all have to follow our conscience.

[painxtreme]

@tkcarr Yes, I recall that from my Service. Very simply, some fired at Kent State Some didn't. There isnt an across the board rule one can make as to what individual Soldiers, Sailors..etc. will choose in a highly questionable scenario.

No, Caine did not present that particular dilemma, however, a few hours previous of heated debate with the misinformed Airman, then watching this and the discussion, I felt the parallel was worthy. Exact? No. Whether you agree or not is your own matter.

[tkcarr]

@painxtreme In the US military soldiers are trained not to obey illegal orders. However, there is a risk in that if the orders are later found to be legal then the soldier faces punishment for disobeying. This movie presented no such dilemma. Now, one can take a principled position that an order might be unethical or illegal due to conscience but if a higher authority finds their reasoning faulty then that disobiedience can cost you. But following conscience often presents that choice.

[painxtreme]

@tkcarr I know the difference, thank you. Im disabled, not brain dead. I love this film. The tie-in is the military discussion itself. What do men in a highly-ordered environment do when the choices are orders, or something unethical? Does that help explain why I linked that? The young Airman doesn't know what he would do, and he doesn't know what the guy next to him would do. A refusing orders discussion, and mutiny with reason seems a simliar issue to me, but u may be higher pay-grade.