Forced Abortion in China

Reposted because I grew tired of Maoistrebelnews2 (and others) mischaracterizing this video.

Relevant links:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=otvGTOQxw1Y

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuBcJUsjY&list=FL7JEDstCT-SnaLuSTnO39-w&...

Maoistrebelnews2 original response to the video contending forced abortions do happen in China:

"Its a lie, there are cases where a husband had forced his wife to be sterilized. But that was the action of husbands, not the state. It was an act of misogyny, not state."

The video response he made (after I took this video down) where he actually goes into more detail about why he rejects the idea of forced abortions in China:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m6w5c24XbVY

Thank you. I'm sorry I haven't watched every video you've ever made. You could have referred me to a few of them in the first place, would've saved some time. Note what he says about 3 minutes in about individual acts of misogyny...are not husbands individuals? Last I checked, yes. Talk about putting words in the mouths of others...I never said it MUST be the state, only that it COULD be.

Yes, I mention the persecution of Christians. Why? Because that is what originally called my attention to the fact that there is no free speech in China...which makes the truth hard to obtain. So to state categorically "forced abortions don't happen" seems presumptuous to me. Call me crazy. The persecution I was referring to was disallowing free speech and practice with regard to any religion (including Christianity).

There is censorship within China...so who is to say anyone but the woman forced to have the abortion (and maybe her family) would have to know about it? It would make sense for the Chinese gov't to only used forced abortion/sterilizations in highly selective circumstances where they were certain they could do it with out it being publicized.

I NEVER said they do happen. I am WILLING TO BELIEVE they do not. I just said your original video wasn't convincing, and it was not.

It would seem, if Human Rights without Fronteirs has waged such a sucessful battle in publicizing this issue, there is some basis for it somewhere. So how about a knowledgable person talking about why those specific people making the accusations would lie about it or how it is known for a fact people have lied about it, not just in a few instances but EVERY instance where the Chinese gov't is accused of forced abortion/sterilization?



The primary purpose of this video is to gather more information. Facts I would like Maoistrebelnews2 to refute:

Chinese media is heavily censored by the gov't.

If forced abortions and sterilizations do take place in China, the Chinese gov't would have great incentive to lie about it/cover it up.

People who experience unpleasantness at the hands of the Chinese gov't (like being forced to have abortions/sterilizations) are probably more likely to be thrown in jail indefinitely if they attempted to speak out against or resist or publicize this practice than be able to get their stories to western media outlets.

Your video doesn't give any credible testimony that would convince anyone the Chinese gov't does not force abortions or sterilizations, ever, nowadays.




But apparently asking for actual testimony from an independent source with great knowledge about China means I am "presenting facts"????

Whatever.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sLJiH6q1_Gw

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JjtuBcJUsjY
http://www.allgirlsallowed.org/pregnant-woman-beaten-chinese-officials-8-mont...
http://chinaview.wordpress.com/category/human-rights/forced-abortion/
http://www.chron.com/news/nation-world/article/Chinese-victims-of-forced-abor...
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/2/14/202119.shtml
Excerpt: "Last August, Western newspapers reported a case in which "family planning" officials had killed an unauthorized baby in front of its parents.

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[12bemyfan]

america got more problem with drugs ,guns teen pregnancy,teen violence take of you own county instead.

[105Mittens]

@12bemyfan Yes, America has a lot of problems.  Most people in the world have a lot of problems. Is having one's own problems sufficient reason to not to care about anyone else? I think not. Peace.

[hateusawarcriminals]

WHY IS CHINA IS YOUR WHITE PEOPLE PROBLEM!?

[105Mittens]

@hateusawarcriminals I see it as a human problem.

[105Mittens]

So your contention is that nothing horrible ever happens in China? It's just so outrageous and unreasonable to think it could happen to anyone anywhere? You're right that America does not consistently support free speech (I never said they did)...it's a travesty.  I'll even go as far to say that coerced and forced abortions most likely happen in America because of greed or hypocrisy or worse...forced sterilizations have happened too (that's a fact). It's a really shitty world.

[momdlbl]

@hateusawarcriminals Because it is part of what is happening with the NWO which is EVERYONE'S problem. This is our future

[Buntzums]

@EvilCommunistChina are you talking about the "man pills" they supposedly found in Korea coming out of abortion clinics in China? I thought that was a myth?

[Buntzums]

The Chinese gov't does force abortions. They do so less now - they just put serious financial punishment for anyone trying to have a second child. They also have tied tubes and given vasectomies to men who break the rules. But then again the Chinese gov't also claims that Taiwan does not exist and will not forward mail to there so that is hardly the most delusional thing they have done.

[EvilCommunistChina]

Forced abortion is one of the many ways of evil Chinese government's way to control, Especially natives like Manchurians, Mongolians, Uighurs, Tibetans and Even Chinese those who are Christian subject to very harsh measures including forced abortion. Sometimes government also abduct infants from those communities for business as collagen is very lucrative business. They slaughter little babies for collagen extraction also other parts being used in high class restaurants.