Corporatism: the Final Stage of Capitalism

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[hugesinker]

You say that it's impossible for government to go back to a smaller, constitutionally restricted form... but if that's true, how has it ever happened? The only trick is getting most of the informed voters in a democratic republic to understand the problem, be it too much government interference or whatever.

Also, I don't understand the photo of Mao at the end. Is that an endorsement? No amount of death could teach that idiot that his central planning was destroying his people. Such a sad story.

[maozhuxitongzhi]

governments are only "restricted" when their restriction is in the interest of capital, e.g. anarchy in the DRC facilitating exploitative resource imperialism, and so on.

it is an endorsement; the furthest development of human society occurred under mao's leadership during the great proletarian cultural revolution and maoist theory was developed furthest and most correctly in that period by lin biao

[hugesinker]

Capital is usually a factor, but I certainly wouldn't call it the entire story. The republic of Rome, the democracy in ancient Greece, Even the early united states. Sure, they didn't like taxation without representation, but whence came the bill of rights?

Wasn't Biao a mentally ill 'traitor'? Mao exported food while his population starved to death and killed those who disagreed with him. On my last visit, I was happy to see his communism had utterly failed. Youtube is prohibited in China :P.

[maozhuxitongzhi]

i'm not quite sure what your point is re the examples chillin in the 1st paragraph. rome, greece, and the early US were all pre-capitalist so obviously the rules of previous social relations would apply, rather than those which exist under capitalism

lin (chinese surnames come first) is regarded as a traitor by the chinese govt. because he rejected mao's decision to turn his back on the GPCR.

of course you, a rich visitor, were happy with capitalist china. the suffering masses of chinese arent

[braniganwddp]

excellent video

shanedk probably won't consider the 19th century american economy an example of the "free market" because of it's heavy tariffs, so he's probably going to yell at you and call you a liar

those tariffs were also the REAL cause of the civil war, just in case you were wondering

[maozhuxitongzhi]

haha well if his argument against "free market capitalism existed at one point but cannot exist anymore" is "actually it never existed," welp,

[Sam26100]

Half of my family lives in Russia and no they didn't eliminate government interference when communism supposedly fell

The tremendous power grab that certain citizens got away with happened due to the government issued vouchers which were created during Gorbachev's "Perestroika"

This is not a valid example of what happens when a government takes it's "hand's off"

Also, you're talking about a country ravished by government control for decades. The private business infrastructure is dead there

[Sam26100]

Your argument assumes that distribution of wealth = prosperity. Poor people today can afford what the richest people 70 year ago couldn't. Shanedk doesn't promote Capitalism as it is today in America. He is advocating Free-market, or Laissez-faire, capitalism. I.E. a system where any regulation of trade by government is seen as a violation of human rights, and therefore unconstitutional. In such a system, corporatism couldn't exist. Our current corporatism is a result of lack freemarket

[ugoodHomeBoy]

@maozhuxitongzhi

"it is an endorsement; the furthest development of human society occurred under mao's leadership during the great proletarian cultural revolution and maoist theory was developed furthest and most correctly in that period by lin biao"

LOL ok buddy, I think you've had enough crack for one night.

[ForeverComplaining]

@pablocoon Not to mention in communism/socialism no one wants to work as they are all lazy, and the only way you can achieve so is by enforcing totalterianism rules and regulations, which means that people are further opressed and also there is censorship.

We must also remember that for example children were being sent down intoxicated mines, and forced to labour, with NO/barely any break or sleep, dying on an average of 2 weeks after starting work in them.

[ForeverComplaining]

@pablocoon Exactly. I'm amazed that people can consider this hypothesis, a hypothesis which supports collectivisation of the land (a process which not only took away wealth, freedom and opportunity from the people, and property owning democracy, BUT starved them all). A policy which had extremely rich people beside a absolutist regime, a regime which created a policy state and was anti-democratic.

[ForeverComplaining]

How do you lead a revolution and enforce communism? You do so by giving someone power, and when they taste that power they'll want more thrus creatin totalterianism, thrus meaning true communism can never occur and even if it could it would automatically fail as people would get bored and revolt.

[ForeverComplaining]

What you are saying is that you would rather the poor were poorer provided the rich were less rich and I have the same contempt for those socialist/communist policies as the people of Eastern Europe who've experienced them.

[ForeverComplaining]

Yes, let's have communism.

Everyone starves, everyone loses a family member who is prosecuted, everyone sees a large number of their friends die.

Everyone has nothing and yes, one thing communism succeeds is 'Equality of opportunity' but that's because there is NO opportunity under communism.

[oknowiamdead]

Capitalism does not lead to corporatism. Restrictions on free market that inevitably funnels profits to big corporations, I.E. Government bailouts, certain socialist-like programs (Mae and Mac) and the loaning of money at practically 0% interests is what leads to corporatism.

Corporatism only began to exist in the 20th century where, as you said, influence in government allowed them to change the rules of free market economies.

If it were true what you said, history would lead to communism.

[oxymor0n1]

free market capitalism leads inevitably to corporatism

[johnthesencond]

This has nothing to do with Corporatism.

[pablocoon]

So the whole basis of this flummery is that true free market capitalism cannot happen because the rich are too entrenched to be removed. Then of course he advocates coercion and rape by asserting that socialism is the only true solution.Don't be conned by these sniveling leftists. We do indeed have the power to change our country for the better if we can begin to remove politicians from the economic process. The spontaneous market order is superior to all collectivist whims, always has been.