Jasser Vs. Ellison (Part 8 of 9)- AIFD Congressional Briefing on the Hill- October 1, 2009

Cong. Trent Franks (R-AZ) hosted a briefing by AIFD President, M. Zuhdi Jasser, on the threat of political Islam and the responsibilties of American Muslims to engage in the war of ideas. Cong. Keith Ellison, who had just returned from fundraising for CAIR in Arizona despite recommmendations not to from members of the AZ Congressional delegation was present and offered counter arguments and the Islamist spin. [this is Part 8 of 9 of a 30 min briefing which included 50 min of Q and A]

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[annata12]

@faro0485 No i haven't, those a vile racist comments which i do not subscribe to! I'm for family planing of all human, every nation that has more than 2 children per women, increases the burden on all of humanity. If we wanna catch up and bring all of humanity on an equal level we cant have such run away birthrates. If you don't agree, i would like to see your solution. There is no infinite growth on a finite planet even if we spread the wealth equally.

[faro0485]

@annata12 Have you seen these: /watch?v=zLnNi_qb7nY /watch?v=q9UKec6durQ

[annata12]

@faro0485 vaccines against sicknesses, and family planning. Of course i am.

[faro0485]

@annata12 So... you're for vaccines and family planning?

[annata12]

@faro0485 You are an idiot. If all people had only 2 children instead of 5-7 there would be no problem and no one would have to suffer. It's not to much to ask to only get as many children as you can properly care for, feed and educate so that they have future in a world where knowledge grows exponentially. You don't need eugenics, just a reasonable family planning policy.

But reason is not your forte i've already guessed as much!

[faro0485]

@annata12 Reasoning: "there are too many humans on the planet", solution: "depopulate". /watch?v=YBPq0fHY86Q

Ah the science of Eugenics. So that's what you're promoting? What a terrible UDHR. And this is beyond the strawman you put upon the God's law.

[annata12]

@faro0485 The UDHR is based on reason, it only legislates the freedoms of human and restrictions humans have to infringe upon those freedoms. All humans have the same exact freedoms,which is why they are Universal. Not different rules for women, homosexuals, unbelievers, etc. That's the difference

Same rules for all people, believers and unbelievers and it doesn't assume how humans have to be according to a archaic believes that, but informs it's views based on reason and science

[faro0485]

@annata12 Did you just imply that invented and plagiarized and doctored UHRs are not based upon any assumptions? And did you just insist on making false attribution upon religion? Seriously, how did anyone invent UHRs? Great individuals? I take it that you support population reduction to get rid of the tyrannical element of democracy and let the great individuals rule supreme, or am I wrong?

[faro0485]

@annata12 When you say universal, it's not quite the same thing as God given. There are those people who say that the universe is infinite, where as others say the God is infinite. There's also the claim that these God given rights have been plagiarized by those who want to espouse the Universe model. Of course to say when xyz doesn't effect another, is as good as saying "because I have no knowledge (or care not to know) of any wrong, it's good, and anyone who disagrees is bad"

[annata12]

@faro0485 religious laws are based on the assumption that this is what god wants, it's not verfyable and even among the same religion their is division, how can you follow such rules if their only benefit is getting into heaven, with no effect in the real world, other than to oppress certain kinds of people? Not allowing someone to oppress someone is not oppression. Not allowing a religion to kill homosexuals and stone adulterers is not infringing on freedom of religion.