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The Great AIDS Debate (1994) - Excerpts Part 1

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Is HIV really the cause of AIDS?
What is "AIDS"? What is "HIV"?

This is a controversial discussion about HIV/AIDS. There are 4 parts, I cut out ca. 30 minutes:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=The+Great+AIDS+Debate+Excerpts
The entire debate is on GoogleVideo:
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=8226667729907633541

More videos can be found here:
http://www.immunity.org.uk/

Donations to IRF are welcome.

Participants are:

Joan Shenton
Peter Duesberg
Richard Horton
Mark Kaplan
Frederick Siegal
Steven Jonas
Robert Garry
James Scutero

and Dara Welles

It is important to note that this debate has been completely ignored back then. Of course some things have changed but the most important questions are still not resolved and nowadays it isn't even being debated. For more information please visit: http://www.RethinkingAIDS.com

UPDATE: Please visit http://www.theperthgroup.com/ instead. Because: http://www.tig.org.za/TIG_Position_Statement_on_%27HIV%27.htm

And this is the Bio/Technology paper about the "HIV tests" mentioned by James Scutero: http://www.reviewingaids.com/awiki/index.php/Document:Positive_WB_Proof
This paper has been ignored to this day and it still is relevant.

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  • How can I MLA site this video?

  • @haicien What does MLA site mean?

  • What Network was this originality broadcasted on? Where can I get a copy of this debate Thanks

  • @ethanhines I got it from ImmunityOrgUK, as mentioned in the video description. The original file over there is subtitled "Discussion 90 mins (TX - WLIW NYC)". That WLIW may be the network's name..? That's all I can say.

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  • nobody is as skeptical as i am ....even i know aids is bullshit ...ive watched days of this and im convinced AIDS IS BULLSHIT

  • @winterstellar The question is "Why exactly?"... different people have different answers. And I don't categorize the people as 'morons vs real scientists'. The current scientific atmosphere is significantly polluted, signs are easy to find. Nothing looks that clear and simple to me.

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  • @2urtkes2 Yes you're wrong. There is no virus of mass destruction. Gallo just lied and patented an antibody test.

  • One can not understand Duesberg's role of dissembler, misdirector, red herring fabricator

    by listening to him ands his coterie. Only the fullness of time will reveal his motives.

    To understand AIDS perhaps start first with a thorough investigation into Habib Peter Kawaja

    and work back to about 1950.

    That Duesberg has not been fired from UCB & deported to Israel or wherever, is not a testament of his scientific integrity, I think, but of the Powers behind him.

    But then, I could be wrong.

  • @2urtkes2 Well yeh and Duesberg has been proven correct. "Aids" never left the original "risk groups" of 28 years ago. If "aids" was caused by a sexually transmitted VMD it would have spread by now.

    You need to watch the Graves Vs Crowe debate....see on youtube........HIV Flow Charts (govt. documents) versus "HIV Test Kits"

  • @2urtkes2 "Hiv"? But even the "discoverers" never found any such thing.

    There is no virus of mass destruction. Nobody created anything. All Gallo did was falsify his papers call a press conference and patent and antibody test

  • There is much to be suspicious of with AIDS, [and CFS aswell]

    The vitally important Strecker Memorandum--a must see video--

    information came out in the late 80's pointing the finger at a lab creation

    as the source of the so called HIV microbe.

    That is when Duesberg emerged and aggressively pushed the notion that

    AIDs was a lifestyle disease and then that AZT caused AIDS saying that lentiviruses

    couldnt cause human disease unaware of the science of using one microbe as carrier of

    oters RNA

  • That AZT is a harmful drug is a separate issue from the microbial cause of AIDS, the latter being a lab concoction probably by Molecular biologists which specifically targets T4 cells.

    HIV may refer specifically to the envelope of the microbe, but the microbe inside is a concoction of visna virus and brucella-like mycoplasma. The path to it's creation was mapped meticulously by Don Scott & son, Canadian medical researchers over a 12 year period

    in their book: AIDS: THE CRIME BEYOND BELIEF

  • Duesberg's behavior is appalling as he aggressively interrupts others from making coherent

    presentations of information Duesberg does not want said. That's my take. The moderator was incompetent. Duesberg says AIDS is caused by lifestyle.

    One man who tries to explain that, contrary to Duesbag s assertion AIDS is a disease

    of the immune system and the subsequent diseases that emerge occur as a result of the destruction of a vital segment of the immune system: the T4 cells. Duesbag=Disemble.

  • @Lee7676 See on youtube.........Living Proof The Lindsey Nagel Story

    Cheryl and Lindsey Nagel on the Robert Scott Bell Show. How does a 2 week old HIV+ Romanian adoptee (circa 1990) become a healthy 19 year old in 2009? Hint: NO HIV DRUGS............Lindsey Nagel is alive today precisely because of Peter Duesbergs intervention.

  • quote is from........— Dr. Charles Thomas, PhD, former Professor of Biochemistry, Harvard and Johns Hopkins Universities. Former chair of the Cell Biology Department, Scripps Research Institute

    for more google........IS “HIV” REALLY THE CAUSE OF AIDS?

    ARE THERE REALLY ONLY “A FEW”

    SCIENTISTS WHO DOUBT THIS?

  • @Lee7676 “The reason that the whole shabby story of HIV is being held in place is there’s so much money riding on it. The federal government is spending about $4 billion on just this single subject, and all that $4 billion is predicated on the idea that HIV causes these diseases. If HIV does not cause these diseases, then that money is being wasted. And I believe it is being wasted. But the people who are the recipients of that money don’t want it to stop.”

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