@Fremglerk Books all burned by the German National Socialists...the grandchildren of the 3 Bs...not the 4th obviously...a Hungarian who was turned away from his application to teach piano at Juilliard (I have a problem with this, I admit) as a war refugee by these fine upholders of the Germanic tradition...an edifice to snobbery if there ever was....don't play that harmonic scale as a melody...you might go all Arab...or drums...dark Africa..egad!
@soundisadream If others are snobs and not you, then why are you presuming to preach condescendingly about culture (and invoking Godwin's law in the process)? The hilarious part is that you're talking to a Jew about Nazism and still manage to blow it by reducing all "Germanic" lit to an anti-Semitic message. Kafka, Weill and Theodor Adorno would be so proud!
@Fremglerk Exactly...unlike you, hiding behind pleasantries of the academy, I'll spit it out in public. You seem like a weak sister who wouldn't stand up in the real world for fear of finger injury. You WERE insulting me, but at least I'll say it. I am human, as are you, and so of course that's not all people need to know about me. We are one spirit, for insatnce, that is a good starting point, besides the different personalities.
@Fremglerk Finally something you say that "rings true". No...his point was that every moment SEEMS different, but that behind that difference was a hidden harmony..."the strongest"...the weakest being the one we hear (the river). The actual point, as much as you or I might not like to own, is that We Are One...there is a unity not apparent on the surface (different tunings)...."The river" is the symbol of the ego position...the mind of illusions that the blessing of music can truly dispel.
@soundisadream "I am not insulting your intelligence. I am insulting YOU."
That's all anyone on this page needs to know about you: You're here to insult other people. You tell others to get a life, yet it's you who keep attacking them, You criticize in others what you fail to recognize in yourself.
You're a troll who publicly admits s/he's a troll. You've taken the first step, now take the second and stop yourself.
@Fremglerk The hidden harmony message was not just philosophy, but Truth with a capital T to the neo-Platonists we have to thank for saving his written for future generations. Heraclitus does not have a "good" name, just an historical one.
But the truth he found goes back pre-Sumeria. Pythogoras, at least according to the documents of the first century cults, was that sound heals, and that's the message that you maybe missed. Though the language was atomistic, this revelation at least was true.
@soundisadream "How do you know what every single member of your audience thought?"
Why would anyone presume I'd have to know what a listener thought to recognize their individuality? You presume to preach about Heraclitus with the words "read, read, read." Yet his point was that every moment is different; in time, no river is ever the same river. As rivers to time, so to people's responses to music. You play to the listener before you and they play to you. You change each other.
@Fremglerk but you're a troll who can't leave Harrison alone.
I see, you felt the need to answer a post I made a year back. Harrison is well known in the New York community...as a coattail hanger-on,never failing to mention Riley and Young in the same breath as promoting (and he does promote) his own water-down (my original point) "works". We can both have opinion and not be trolls, but you lack the stomach to admit the personal defensive nature of your attack...Michael Harrison...COME OUT
@Fremglerk Hopefully to finish and put out the trash...I can hear you running about about Pythagoras and tuning...what his famous experiment with the monochord proved was not that all humans possess absolute...they don't. But all humans can find the octave on a vibrating string 2:1...it's in our spiritual DNA. The point of Pythagoras was that there was a "hidden harmony" at work and not to get distracted by surface differences. Bach? A good father hopefully, but truly distracted by noise. You??
nice. this was pretty intense. thank you.
joaomacdowell 3 weeks ago
@Fremglerk Books all burned by the German National Socialists...the grandchildren of the 3 Bs...not the 4th obviously...a Hungarian who was turned away from his application to teach piano at Juilliard (I have a problem with this, I admit) as a war refugee by these fine upholders of the Germanic tradition...an edifice to snobbery if there ever was....don't play that harmonic scale as a melody...you might go all Arab...or drums...dark Africa..egad!
I never said I wasn't a snob...I said you were.
soundisadream 1 year ago
@soundisadream If others are snobs and not you, then why are you presuming to preach condescendingly about culture (and invoking Godwin's law in the process)? The hilarious part is that you're talking to a Jew about Nazism and still manage to blow it by reducing all "Germanic" lit to an anti-Semitic message. Kafka, Weill and Theodor Adorno would be so proud!
Fremglerk 1 year ago
@Fremglerk Exactly...unlike you, hiding behind pleasantries of the academy, I'll spit it out in public. You seem like a weak sister who wouldn't stand up in the real world for fear of finger injury. You WERE insulting me, but at least I'll say it. I am human, as are you, and so of course that's not all people need to know about me. We are one spirit, for insatnce, that is a good starting point, besides the different personalities.
soundisadream 1 year ago
@Fremglerk Finally something you say that "rings true". No...his point was that every moment SEEMS different, but that behind that difference was a hidden harmony..."the strongest"...the weakest being the one we hear (the river). The actual point, as much as you or I might not like to own, is that We Are One...there is a unity not apparent on the surface (different tunings)...."The river" is the symbol of the ego position...the mind of illusions that the blessing of music can truly dispel.
soundisadream 1 year ago
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@soundisadream "I am not insulting your intelligence. I am insulting YOU."
That's all anyone on this page needs to know about you: You're here to insult other people. You tell others to get a life, yet it's you who keep attacking them, You criticize in others what you fail to recognize in yourself.
You're a troll who publicly admits s/he's a troll. You've taken the first step, now take the second and stop yourself.
Fremglerk 1 year ago
@Fremglerk The hidden harmony message was not just philosophy, but Truth with a capital T to the neo-Platonists we have to thank for saving his written for future generations. Heraclitus does not have a "good" name, just an historical one.
But the truth he found goes back pre-Sumeria. Pythogoras, at least according to the documents of the first century cults, was that sound heals, and that's the message that you maybe missed. Though the language was atomistic, this revelation at least was true.
soundisadream 1 year ago
@soundisadream "How do you know what every single member of your audience thought?"
Why would anyone presume I'd have to know what a listener thought to recognize their individuality? You presume to preach about Heraclitus with the words "read, read, read." Yet his point was that every moment is different; in time, no river is ever the same river. As rivers to time, so to people's responses to music. You play to the listener before you and they play to you. You change each other.
Fremglerk 1 year ago
@Fremglerk but you're a troll who can't leave Harrison alone.
I see, you felt the need to answer a post I made a year back. Harrison is well known in the New York community...as a coattail hanger-on,never failing to mention Riley and Young in the same breath as promoting (and he does promote) his own water-down (my original point) "works". We can both have opinion and not be trolls, but you lack the stomach to admit the personal defensive nature of your attack...Michael Harrison...COME OUT
soundisadream 1 year ago
@Fremglerk Hopefully to finish and put out the trash...I can hear you running about about Pythagoras and tuning...what his famous experiment with the monochord proved was not that all humans possess absolute...they don't. But all humans can find the octave on a vibrating string 2:1...it's in our spiritual DNA. The point of Pythagoras was that there was a "hidden harmony" at work and not to get distracted by surface differences. Bach? A good father hopefully, but truly distracted by noise. You??
soundisadream 1 year ago