Wayne Gretzky Goals
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he was not a bum you meanie
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Gretzky was a bum
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Gretzky revolutionized the game, without question - but he wasn't superman. It took some time, but once teams figured out how to play him and isolate him with close checking, physical play and special defensive schemes, his production plummeted back to mortal levels. This does nothing to detract from his greatness, it just makes him more human. The best thing about Wayne's playing is his "hockey sense," his ability to see the game several steps ahead. He was peerless in that regard.
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The overall level of competition in today's game is such that we may never again see someone break 70 goals. If it happens, it is going to be rare. We won't see 200 points in a season or 90 goals again under the status quo. Expansion diluted the talent in the NHL for a decade or so around the time Gretzxky came into the league, due to the WHA teams joining the league. Parity was a joke; the NHL worst teams were like high-level minor league or junior squads.
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@BispingFan28: True, stats don't lie ... but they can mislead. Stats aren't everything either. Gretzky has a legitimate case as the greatest scorer of all time; he holds all those marks - but that does not necessarily make him the greatest or most complete player of all time. Surrounded by a stellar case of stars in Edmonton, he won multiple cups. Not so elsewhere. Once teams figured out how to play Gretzky - physical and with close fore/backchecking, they were able to contain him.
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Gretzky's vision of the ice and the game was said to be second to none, as was his intelligence for the game. Against these have to be balanced the size, speed and skill level of today's players, and overall parity in the game. Gretzky benefitted from watered-down talent in a rapidly-expanding league, rules that favored offenses, and goalies hampered by primitive equipment and a less-advanced art. Gretzky would have been shut down in today's game to a much-greater extent.
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There's no denying that the Great One is among the greatest ever hockey players, and the most prolific scorer in history. However, Gretzky wouldn't score anything like 90 goals or 200 points in a season, in today's game. The goalies are too expert, the shot-blocking too fierce...and the players too big, too fast, and too well-trained for heroics of the kind we saw in the 1980s. Gretz would be fortunate to break fifty goals a season in today's environment.
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@shazariahl True, but Lemieux had a lot of really bad injuries not to mention cancer. if you want a player who's less play making and sheer personal talent i choose Lemieux, if you want someone who is an amazing play maker its Gretzky.
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@khabibissell: The variation in the level of talent between the pipes was bigger than it is today. Back in the old days, 1970s and before, the most-talented athletes on a hockey team were not asked to play goal. Consequently, you got some great athletes at the position, some also-rans. Today, the best athlete on a pro hockey team, and the best skater, is often a goalie. Equipment improvements have made a world of difference; the old leather pads were heavy, especially when wet, and small, too.
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it's just like with Wilt Chamberlain in NBA, players were less athletic than nowadays, but he's certainly the best
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@joyfulvulture 1. As I already said, Gretzky's 212 pt year the next closest Oiler had 105 points, Coffey. Kurri and Messier both had less than 90. Gretzky had more goals than that. It BECAME a great team, but the first few years they were lower half of the NHL.He still broke the records.
2. Lemieux's team wasn't as good, but he only broke180 pts. once. Gretzky averaged that for 10 years. Gretzky's production dropped as he aged - just like Lemieux.
3. You aren't very joyful. Change your name.
shazariahl 1 year ago 4
Don't forget this was an era when hooking,holding,and interference was virtually legal and a five on three was rare enough to rate a special mention on the sports page.
TurnpikecIII 2 years ago 4