@urnotdafatr "The Death I am referring to is separation from God, not just the death of your body. "
Good clarification.
"You do have a soul and a spirit as well."
That is questionable. (Not just in my case but in general...ehh...)
But just like you are not a Hindu and therefore not worried about karma and re-incarnation in that sense I'm not worried about the wrath of the judeo-christian god.
It's like saying "If you are naughty then Santa won't bring you presents".
@urnotdafatr "Like you, I knowingly sinned a lot in the past."
I haven't knowingly sinned a lot in the past and am not planning to do so in the future either. I've had a few parking tickets and I've paid them. No ultimate judgment from any gods needed. :-)
"The price paid for sin is death. "
We all die sooner or later. It has to do with the telomeres getting shorter or some specific protein that our bodies produce.
Animals die too. Do they sin? How to teach a dog about Jesus?
Yes there was. 2000 years ago. Or at least there was the time before he came down to earth (born from a virgin as the story goes) and before anyone knew anything about him. Time before Christianity.
Either there was a time before Jesus or for some strange reason God decided to let all people go to Hell for no specific reason (without any option) for thousands of years by not sending him down to earth and not letting people know about him.
@urnotdafatr "Either you pay for your own sins or you accept Jesus' payment for your sins. Its your choice."
It's *not* your choice.
It's the choice of your parents and the society who brainwash you with some certain religion and you might never ever even hear about Jesus and Christianity.
What about people who are never told about Jesus and Christianity?
What about people who lived before Jesus? Before Christianity?
What if you are a protestant and the catholics are right? Or vice versa?
Hell in the bible is just a metaphor for the grave. not a dwelling fo satan and a place for suffering. When jesus went to hell his body was placed in a grave.
@urnotdafatr oh well to bads its a myth :(
MegaGangstaparadise 4 months ago
@urnotdafatr "The Death I am referring to is separation from God, not just the death of your body. "
Good clarification.
"You do have a soul and a spirit as well."
That is questionable. (Not just in my case but in general...ehh...)
But just like you are not a Hindu and therefore not worried about karma and re-incarnation in that sense I'm not worried about the wrath of the judeo-christian god.
It's like saying "If you are naughty then Santa won't bring you presents".
What if you're wrong?
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 9 months ago
@urnotdafatr
It's still a bit (actually a lot) like "Worship me or suffer for eternity!"
That's blackmail.
Can't really talk about "free will" if there are actually no alternatives.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 9 months ago
@urnotdafatr "All believers in the OT, First believed in God of the bible, believed in the coming Messiah"
Yes. The jews are still waiting and muslims agree that Jesus was a prophet but not son of god. And all the other religions say nothing about Jesus.
"When they died, they were held in a place called "Abraham's bossom""
All right. Sounds fair. What about those who never heard about the OT? Tough luck?
"Read the bible for yourself"
I rather argue on YouTube and learn this way. ;-)
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 9 months ago
@urnotdafatr "Like you, I knowingly sinned a lot in the past."
I haven't knowingly sinned a lot in the past and am not planning to do so in the future either. I've had a few parking tickets and I've paid them. No ultimate judgment from any gods needed. :-)
"The price paid for sin is death. "
We all die sooner or later. It has to do with the telomeres getting shorter or some specific protein that our bodies produce.
Animals die too. Do they sin? How to teach a dog about Jesus?
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 9 months ago
@urnotdafatr "There was never a before Jesus"
Yes there was. 2000 years ago. Or at least there was the time before he came down to earth (born from a virgin as the story goes) and before anyone knew anything about him. Time before Christianity.
Either there was a time before Jesus or for some strange reason God decided to let all people go to Hell for no specific reason (without any option) for thousands of years by not sending him down to earth and not letting people know about him.
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 9 months ago
@urnotdafatr
What if the muslims are right?
What if you're wrong?
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 9 months ago
@urnotdafatr "Either you pay for your own sins or you accept Jesus' payment for your sins. Its your choice."
It's *not* your choice.
It's the choice of your parents and the society who brainwash you with some certain religion and you might never ever even hear about Jesus and Christianity.
What about people who are never told about Jesus and Christianity?
What about people who lived before Jesus? Before Christianity?
What if you are a protestant and the catholics are right? Or vice versa?
doGoNsIylbaborPerehT 9 months ago
Hell in the bible is just a metaphor for the grave. not a dwelling fo satan and a place for suffering. When jesus went to hell his body was placed in a grave.
blesstv 2 years ago 2