Water Engine idea

(This video uses captions). Water rises by capillary action and is siphoned back down. The cycle can generate work, for examples, stepping water to higher levels or moving a turbine.

The height of the capillary action can be increased by lowering atmospheric pressure, for example, by removing air from the container.

There exist related plant watering systems that start with a filled siphon tube at the bottom, then end with a widened part of the tube made out of a porous material, such as unglazed clay. The capillary action through the pores pulls the water through and drips it down. For an example of such a product:

http://www.worldcloser.com/waterme.html

Category:

Science & Technology

Tags:

• water engine
• capillary tube
• capillary action
• siphon
• perpetual motion
• free energy
• over unity
• overunity
• pump
• perpetuum

[waterkeeper03]

the "siphon" actually becomes a siphon for air, that allows the water in the capilary to fall back into the holding tank because presure is greater in the capilary. it will not flow upward and out unless the siphon creates a greater force than the weight of the water in the capilary.

the only way this is possible is if you find a way to make the siphon hose (educated guess)3-4 times the diameter of the capilary and keep it flowing at full siphon. i guarantee it will allow air in every time.

[adanieltorres]

@waterkeeper03 Your reasoning all makes sense but hinges on "greater resistance" and "increasing the ability", but with no values quantifying. We don't differ on the physics, only on how sure you are and educated your guesses. I leave open the possibility, until proven the contrary, that there exists a combination of sizes and materials that will achieve the proposed effect. Consider: where the 2nd tube's capillarity widens, forces are at their weakest in countering the siphon.

[waterkeeper03]

i just explained my basis. and the basis is that perpetual motion of the water is dependent on the siphon. we've already laid the basis that the rising tube is of capilary size and that the exit line creating the greater pressure would have to be of a larger diameter, therefore it's bigger than capilary. with a larger exit than entrance there is a greater resistance at the back end increasing the ability for air, the smaller of the molecules, to rise into the outlet breaking the siphon..

[adanieltorres]

@waterkeeper03 lol, of course the physics doesn't change, but you seem to think capillary forces as just as negligible at capillary sizes than at common siphon sizes. At capillary sizes, the forces of adhesion and cohesion of water surpass those of gravity, and I expect oxygen. I have been pointing out, however, that what is in doubt, is whether there exists a size at which we can get the effect in the video. Your discounting it with no basis, doesn't make it less likely.

[waterkeeper03]

@adanieltorres sorry but the physics actually do not change. the water molecule(0.0001 micron) is still smaller than the oxygen atom(roughly 4 sextillion times smaller), both are still smaller than a capilary (5-10micron) and gravity is still gravity.

[adanieltorres]

@waterkeeper03 It's the basic physics to which you refer that put your premise in doubt. At capillary sizes, water forces counter gravity, in the first tube. Then, in the second tube, it's capillary forces that pull the water over the edge. At those sizes, the cohesive and adhesive properties of water may very well prevent air from entering the outlet of the second tube, while gravity pulls the water from the capillary portion just enough to get it to spill out. Maybe...

[waterkeeper03]

@adanieltorres 1. it doesn't matter how small you make the drain because the air mols attempting to make their way IN are smaller than the water molecules making their way OUT.

also the smaller the inlet at the siphon the more restriction you place at the back end allowing air to flow within. basic physics, taking it to the extreme on small scale doesn't change its effects from being extreme on a large scale.

also you intend to spin a turbine for energy, which requires high flow

[adanieltorres]

@waterkeeper03 The siphon you speak of, however, does not have an inlet at capillary size and end up with a larger outlet, still smaller than any inlet you've ever tried. So, how do you know that with such a small outlet would let air in if water adhesion is strong at the outlet?

[waterkeeper03]

@adanieltorres Gravity is how I know. the gravitational pull you demonstrate at 0:15 would have to be greater than the gravitational pull within the capilary. I have never been able to maintain a siphon from a tube with a larger outlet, than inlet for more than a few minutes. they slowly begin to leak air into the tube from the larger opening eventually fully loosing siphon.

[adanieltorres]

@waterkeeper03 That is certainly my fear, but your guarantee only leads me to ask, how do you know? I certainly can't find links to such info, only opinions.

[adanieltorres]

@Razdrakon Because I'm imagining a siphon action by possibly widening of the top tube after the curve, so the weight of the water would pull on the water at the capillary portion. Again, this is the part for which I can find no information.