Is Jesus God? - Ahmed Deedat Vs Eric Bock 17 of 17

And they say: "None shall enter paradise unless he be a Jew or a Christian." Those are their (vain) desires. Say: "Produce your proof if ye are truthful." Sura 2 Verse 111

'Is Jesus God?' - Ahmed Deedat vs. Eric B. Bock

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[dongani88]

@098890786 ameen

[samalex86me]

"Blessed are you when people insult you, persecute you and falsely say all kinds of evil against you because of me. Rejoice and be glad, because great is your reward in heaven, for in the same way they persecuted the prophets who were before you." Matthew 5: 11,12

- Some want to prove Jesus was not crucified. Ok, prove this 'that He is not living now'. It would be like saying someone sitting among us is a dead person!

[098890786]

Allah سبحانه وتعلى blessed us with Munazir ul Islam Sayyidunaa Ahmad Hussein Deedat رضي الله عنه who destroyed the Kuffar عليهم لعنة with his humour and wisdom.

Allah سبحانه وتعلى grant him Jannatul Firdous. Ameen

[yusuf99999]

the lion of islam

[jorsak]

#4. And what do those copies say? They say that the law of God revealed by Moses is a lie. (The law requires sacrifice for sin). They say that the prophets of God are a lie. (The prophets foretell of the coming Messiahs role to be that sacrifice) and they say that the Messiah of God is a liar. (The Messiah said repeatedly that he came to die and specifically die for the sins of many.)

Your book contradicts the previously revealed word of God and thus must be rejected.

Salaam,

Joe

[jorsak]

approach.

#3. You say you want replay on the 100% accurate Qur'an but how do you know that. Uthman burned texts. You have NOTHING of the "original" writings. Research the hafsah codex. You will find that she protected with her life the collected writings that she had and these were later BURNED. Now, either she had uncorrupted text from Allah that she saved and Uthman saw fit to burn it or she had corrupted text. At any rate, you have NOTHING of the original. You have copies.

(cont.)

[jorsak]

the same. There is no single doctrine or teaching called into question because of spelling, grammar, or a missing verse.

#2. Once again, these are COPIES of the original texts. Scribal notation in the copying process has lead to the questioned 18-40 verses that I mentioned. It is not a question of whether God's word has been corrupted but of intellectual honesty in admitting these verses or notations as suspect of being included in the text. Once again, this is simply an HONEST (cont.)

[jorsak]

What do I mean by that? I mean that the 24,000+ copies are in 15+ different languages written by hand. So, OF COURSE, no two are identical. This is a typical parlor trick type argument of Deedat's. I will not argue against you and say they are identical because of that fact.

However, what are their differences? Are they truly different MESSAGES? NO! The "differences" are spelling, punctuation, an illegible word or phrase because of the age of the document. The content is 100% (Cont.)

[jorsak]

@1bacsceco I'm uncertain why my response isn't showing up. I happened to check it just looking at responses and noted that it wasn't there. So, my apologies. I'm reposting.

#1. you state, "about the 24000 manuscripts, did you know that no two are identical?" This is an often stated argument from Deedat and it's a bit funny because while it is a true statement no intellectually honest person would make this argument from a standpoint of questioning the credibility of the document.(cont.)

[1bacsceco]

@jorsak about the 24000 manuscripts, did you know that no two are identical ? and when talking about a God's word, there should be NONE, 0 verse questioned, 0,0000001% is sufficient to prove that the entire book is not of God, and i'm not depending on the .005%, i'm depending on the 100% correct verses of the Qur'an.

God's word CAN be corrupted, if it can't, then why are there verses QUESTIONED ?

Peace