Re: Answer me this my atheist YouTuber :)

Values and life.

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[daddybear]

Hey Blueadept. It's ok. GOD sends 'strong delusion' to many. When people want to argue... they do not care about truth. They make their own 'relative' god out of anger, pride, fury. But keep on fighting, it gives us answers to lead and protect our kids from this ignorance.

[daddybear]

no. Value cannot be only relative to your thoughts and perceptions. There are chain events that take place that are for a higher goodness than the perception of the middle link that you 'think' has a certain value. Faith in a 'goodness' working past the 'perception' is the thing. .

[daddybear]

it wouldn't be life as you know outside yourself in terms of a value system. Extrinsic is/ would be existential which implies a new set of rules with a required 'fix' to the actions of 'good' and 'intrinsic goodness'.. if that be a required sense..at this point> we already are admitting to a cause out of our hands. ...which calls time and space as jury to our actions.. which is another supercessional event prior to our action... a predeterministic and absolutist world... Which I believe in.

[daddybear]

past court trials are 'valued' on pedophiles to see patterns and structuring for future laws to protect and serve a democracy. You 'relatively' discount these historical pedophiles in your scheme of 'value' for everyone who needs these past 'evils'? You don't like therefore you value? What the boof is that...?

[terri22221]

XO I completely agree that the 'value' of a murderous pedophile is extremely low in the eyes of most rational people; no argument there from me. But in a way, when we talk about how little value he has, we're acknowledging how greatly we value the innocent child who has been kidnapped etc. However, as far as intrinsic value goes, I guess that would be more subjective and relative. Thus the reason we've created a system of justice in our society, to decide on such matters.

peace...

[freethot]

I think that my personal sense of the "value" of anyone or anything will end when I die. Therefore MY life (my awareness of living) is the most valuable thing in my world.....THE World...to me

[athslade]

Sorry just realized it's not actually circular. It's just an unproven assumption.

[athslade]

To make this more concrete. This is the actual argument:

1) Sentience is intrinsically valuable.

2) Humans beings are sentient.

3) Therefore human beings are intrinsically valuable.

[athslade]

The argument thus far:

1) Properties of objects have intrinsic value

2) Object X has properties

3) Therefore because object X has properties it must have intrinsic value.

This whole logical reasoning is circular and based on the assumption that properties have intrinsic value. The assumption needs to be proven before the rest of the logic can be applied.

[blueadept111]

OMG. I've given you a concrete example of an intrinsic property and clearly explained that intrinsic value can be expressed in terms of that property. Logic is against you. Common english useage of words is against you. Common sense is against you. Even the dictionary is against you.

OH well, you can lead an atheist to water, but you can't make him think. Sorry!