Horseshoe-shaped steel beam

Steel beam from Ground Zero bent into the shape of a horseshoe.

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[gndzroirnwkr]

there was no thermite used at zero.i know i spent 51 nights with full access to the pile ,any where i wanted to go i could.look at the ends of the beams there is no copper residue.ask someone who knows thermite,"how much it would take to melt thru a 4 inch core beam,a fucking lot.ground zero ironworker

[Gatecreepers]

gndzroirnwkr, put up your real name please.

[RichardC111165]

Maybe those grooves were cut during the cleanup, but the beam bent into the smooth horseshoe shape because it got very hot. Not jet fuel hot but thermite hot.

[RichardC111165]

It would be a simple matter to look inside this horseshoe box column and get a sample for metallurgy lab testing. I'm willing to bet that won't happen: national security ongoing investigation crime scene blah,blah,blah...

[GnosticNinja]

@idb87 The problem with "silly" is the percentage of fire to steel ratio.

A purely unobservant fool would equate the two examples as same.

The lack of comprehension likely due to ingesting Fluoridated water.

Fact remains, I can go down the entire list of skyscraper fires, only the WTC's "WEAKEN" while far worse on record have remained standing.

In a word: illogical

911research*wtc7*net/essays/th­ermite/explosive_residues*html

[jkear2004]

So you're saying that the fuel created the thousands of degrees necessary to bend the beam?

[gmachala404]

Because of the thickness of this inner core column it was low on the tower. Seem reasonable to assume that some molten iron from columns higher up filled the hollow center of this column and heated it up very hot. When the tower collapsed it then buckled.

[Skeptic121]

Thermite does not contain sulfur, so it melts but does not cut steel.

You can watch the videos and see that -ITE does not cut the way -ATE does.

I noticed that -ATE produces a strongly blowing white flame, unlike the weakly blowing yellow flame of thermITE. The sulfur plasma lamp, often used to light sports arenas, is also very white. I am looking for an emission spectrum of the white thermATE flame, to compare with the emission spectrum of the sulfur plasma lamp.

[PoetryHound]

Wow, you pasted a definition. But guess what? You've inadvertantly reaffirmed my point, which was that thermite and thermate CUT the steel, not bend it. So they wouldn't have been responsible for the horseshoe bend.

[Skeptic121]

You are confusing thermITE and thermATE.

Thermite does not cut the way thermate does. Thermate cuts as follows: the thermite reaction heats the sulfur to form a very hot gas called a plasma. This sulfur plasma cuts through steel as steam cuts ice. The plasma hits the steel, loses energy to the steel, and evaporates it. It is a phase change, like steam to water, that releases so much heat.

Search YouTube for "linear thermite" and watch what is really thermATE cutting steel.

[PoetryHound]

Well, we know thermite or thermate wouldn't have caused that kind of distortion in the steel. Incendiaries would cut or burn holes int he steel, not heat it up and bend it.

[panzerwolf494]

Put tons and tons of stress on that steel you're heating, make sure it's with jet fuel supported by furniture, carpet, wood, and other burnable items, add a nice crosswind to heat it from the gaping holes and let it burn for the allotted time, watch as the steel weakens because it does not need to melt to fail...

Physics are fun

[panzerwolf494]

so steal beams being hit by a jet laden with fuel at 300mph+ is not considered severe trauma to the steel support columns when directly hit, and add to that the fire?

[RichardC111165]

What is strange about this "horseshoe column" is that it has no kinks or cracks. It is hollow so one would expect both UNLESS it got VERY hot so the steel could stretch and compress smoothly. Otherwise, kinks and cracks. The other problem is the SIZE of this column; it took some serious energy to heat it hot enough to do what it did. In any case, I just want to look inside the hollow part where I think the thermite was. Why does this column need to be kept in a secret location?