Persian ney lesson 5: Simple Dastgahs

I play the skeletons of the daramad (opening) of each dastgah.
I made a mistake in Chahargah, it's actually a mix between Rak-e-hendi and chahargah that I play.

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[goodcyrus]

Great job Kees. Your Chargah was a bit like Rak Abdollah. Btw, what do you think my theory about the Greek origin of the Persian modes and open hand playing of wind instruments as the origin of the quarter-tone note?

[persianney]

@goodcyrus

Rak-e-hendi, Moh. I don't know your theory so I can't comment. However birds use microtones too and presumably their ancestors, the dinosaurs, too.

[goodcyrus]

@persianney The other (accidental) quarter tone is the other half tone in the major scale. The amount of the microtonal shift (40 cents) is exactly what a wind instrument would produce in open hand position. This cannot be a coincidence. Historical evidence shows immense Greek influence in Persian medicine, philosophy, Math etc. It is natural that their music would have influenced persians as well.

[persianney]

@goodcyrus

Nobody knows what the Greek scales were like. The church modes you refer to just have Greek names but came much later.

The pitches of a wind instrument depend on where the holes are, not sure what you mean by "open hand position".

Indeed on renaissance and baroque recorders, flutes, and cornetto the "natural" scale without cross fingering has a koron, which is intriguing I agree.

[4524dubai]

with due respect to your very high standard and excellent work done on teaching and simplfying ney technique on all account for people with musical background wouldn't possible to make simple,basic and easy interactive demo on the hole of ney for sur or dashti or any simple dastagah for benefit those who are unable to read music or hand writting of others ,I am sure Sir you are more than able to do it and will do it soon.I solute you Sir...

[4524dubai]

you are genuine and great sir without doubt on all expects of technicallity of all kind of music notes but Sir why don't you try to be more kind to play the radif of persian ney much more slower or very slow motion for bebefit of stupid person like my self who can't read music or he or she is slow on in take

[goodcyrus]

@persianney Ormavi suggests taking the 210 cents and making is into LLC instead of LCL (Limma+Comma _Limma) or vice versa, again my memory is failing me here on details.

[goodcyrus]

@persianney I think the string/pitch ratios of 2/3, 3/4, etc. were well described in manuscripts to create a natural scale as well as the home keys to produce various modes. I may have to research this. The famous muslim music theorititian, Saffi-al Din Ormavi and Farbai write in detail about the Greek intervals and Ormavi suggest a silly defunct manner of breaking up the whole tone to possibly make up the quarter-tone.

[goodcyrus]

@persianney Ok, memory is failing. I was wondering about that. Hey but I still dont mix up my chargah, LOL.The theory goes like this: Just as the Greek modes were the same scale with different home keys, most persian maye-ha are an altered major scale with different home /drone keys. The altered quarter tone is always the half tone in the majot scale.

[macwanchia]

really its a good corses for me thanks, I hopp you have mor and all dastgah from start too end.