Athens vs Sparta, Sokratis and ancient Greece part 5

Ελληνικοί υπότιτλοι ancient civilization ATHENS and Sparta were both Greek cities and their people spoke a common language. In every other respect they were different. Athens rose high from the plain. It was a city exposed to the fresh breezes from the sea, willing to look at the world with the eyes of a happy child. Sparta, on the other hand, was built at the bottom of a deep valley, and used the surrounding mountains as a barrier against foreign thought. Athens was a city of busy trade. Sparta was an armed camp where people were soldiers for the sake of being soldiers. The people of Athens loved to sit in the sun and discuss poetry or listen to the wise words of a philosopher. The Spartans, on the other hand, never wrote a single line that was considered literature, but they knew how to fight, they liked to fight, and they sacrificed all human emotions to their ideal of military preparedness.

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[nickolash187]

he was a genius

[ogukuo72]

Or perhaps Socrates really is a subversive that undermined Athenian democracy through his ideas. If his real ideas are anything like what Plato attribute to him, then he is a crpyto-elitist authoritarian.

[RobinMosley24]

"trained judge" corrupt liar, "lawyer" elitis state law created protected job

"class" that need not exist law aint supposed to be insane

[onedOLlarDuDE]

@Dimedoses

True, but Persia hated Athens and probably would have helped Sparta regardless of Athens army's strenght if the stalemate would have lasted long enough for Persia to get tired of waiting for Athens to make a mistake.

[Dimedoses]

So persia & sparta defeated athens but then allowed them to rebuild? I don't get why they would allow them to.

[Dimedoses]

@onedOLlarDuDE Persia only assisted sparta in attacking athens because they heard of the 50,000 men who were slaughtered,The Persians felt they could take them then because of their lost & took advantage of the circumstances. After all the Athenians held their own against sparta for a year before the attack.

[onedOLlarDuDE]

@ogukuo72

I know you posted that a year ago, but I'll reply anyway... I think Athens lost the war when they declared war on Sparta. It was a damn stubborn city state which would not admit defeat until the last man falls, and the Athenians couldn't defeat their beyond elite hoplites without a military master mind. If they hadn't attacked Sicily, eventually Persia would have stepped in and helped Sparta defeat Athens.

[bloo0525]

sokrats fail

[mdgarciasa]

is the narrator liam neeson?

[jakepinoywolrd85]

athens lost not because of bad strategies,bad leaders or bad anything. they lost because they went to war with sparta, of all the states, dear god, they had to go against sparta. sparta lived and breathed and ate and slept warfare. it was like randy couture vs brock lesnar. randy followed the game plan, and it was a good gameplan but brock was just bigger and stronger and faster.

[busysuperomwna]

they lost the war because they had bad leaders good strategists but it was only for self glory if they won pericles would get all the glory also they had num brained quarreling commanders too

[ClarenceDoskocil]

This is a good documentary, and I understand the limitations put on a series only a few hours long, but there are too many gaps, therefore this series is a vast oversimplification. Thucydides is the primary source for this struggle, but he does not mention Socrates.