@TheFirearmEnthusiast That's the point of the treaty? It stops my government in the UK sending ammunition out to Bashar al-Assad so that at least we won't be party to him killing his people. Please please please skim through Amnesty Internationals website before replying. If there's anythink you want me to read I will, but this is starting to feel a bit pointless if you aren't as well informed as you could be.
@CorXxXSmile There's a difference between a practical approach and defeatist approach. The location which the armaments are coming from is not even relevant to the people who are killed by them.
@TheFirearmEnthusiast Even if they do find other ways of killing their people at least we aren't supporting it, at least we arent giving them the provisions to so. Well done, you've cited fairly standard IR theory. I'm sorry, I just don't understand such a defeatist approach, I don't understand why just because we live in a shitty world you think thats a justification for not trying to change it for the future. Like I said, we're just very different.
@CorXxXSmile Education is only a slight part of the problem. If there are groups willing to murder their own people I'd think that avoiding international law regarding small arms would be the least of their problems. Pro-government forces are also usually never harassed when committing atrocities unless the people intervening have an ulterior motive.
@CorXxXSmile Nobody said it would be easy. Do you think the largest exporters of arms are would agree to it? Don't you think they'd get around the controls? If you think it'll work then you're fooling yourself.
@TheFirearmEnthusiast Actually predominantly the groups are pro government forces or other political fractions using arms to suppress, silence and coerce innocent civillians. And the poverty they live in has been exacerbated by the arms trade. If people are so easy to educate why don't you prove it, and take a second to educate yourself by looking over the control arms campaign or amnesty internationals press release on it.
@CorXxXSmile The groups are the people, they're killing each other because they aren't educated. Why do you think these deaths are happening in countries which are full of poor and uneducated people. The issue is not arms, they'd kill each other with machetes if they had to and they've already done so.
@TheFirearmEnthusiast People are educated, they know that these weapons are designed to destroy and the groups buying them who are then committing human rights abuses with them aren't committing these abuses by accident, it is their intention. This isn't about controlling people who don't know what the purpose of a kalashnikov is.
@TheFirearmEnthusiast That's the point of the treaty? It stops my government in the UK sending ammunition out to Bashar al-Assad so that at least we won't be party to him killing his people. Please please please skim through Amnesty Internationals website before replying. If there's anythink you want me to read I will, but this is starting to feel a bit pointless if you aren't as well informed as you could be.
CorXxXSmile 3 months ago
@CorXxXSmile There's a difference between a practical approach and defeatist approach. The location which the armaments are coming from is not even relevant to the people who are killed by them.
TheFirearmEnthusiast 3 months ago
@TheFirearmEnthusiast Even if they do find other ways of killing their people at least we aren't supporting it, at least we arent giving them the provisions to so. Well done, you've cited fairly standard IR theory. I'm sorry, I just don't understand such a defeatist approach, I don't understand why just because we live in a shitty world you think thats a justification for not trying to change it for the future. Like I said, we're just very different.
CorXxXSmile 3 months ago
@CorXxXSmile Education is only a slight part of the problem. If there are groups willing to murder their own people I'd think that avoiding international law regarding small arms would be the least of their problems. Pro-government forces are also usually never harassed when committing atrocities unless the people intervening have an ulterior motive.
TheFirearmEnthusiast 3 months ago
@TheFirearmEnthusiast It's not even that it won't be easy it's that it's simply not applicable, the issue isn't a lack of education.
If you don't think it's even worth then all I can say is that we see and embrace the world in very different ways.
CorXxXSmile 3 months ago
@CorXxXSmile Nobody said it would be easy. Do you think the largest exporters of arms are would agree to it? Don't you think they'd get around the controls? If you think it'll work then you're fooling yourself.
TheFirearmEnthusiast 3 months ago
@TheFirearmEnthusiast Actually predominantly the groups are pro government forces or other political fractions using arms to suppress, silence and coerce innocent civillians. And the poverty they live in has been exacerbated by the arms trade. If people are so easy to educate why don't you prove it, and take a second to educate yourself by looking over the control arms campaign or amnesty internationals press release on it.
CorXxXSmile 3 months ago
@CorXxXSmile The groups are the people, they're killing each other because they aren't educated. Why do you think these deaths are happening in countries which are full of poor and uneducated people. The issue is not arms, they'd kill each other with machetes if they had to and they've already done so.
TheFirearmEnthusiast 3 months ago
@TheFirearmEnthusiast People are educated, they know that these weapons are designed to destroy and the groups buying them who are then committing human rights abuses with them aren't committing these abuses by accident, it is their intention. This isn't about controlling people who don't know what the purpose of a kalashnikov is.
CorXxXSmile 3 months ago
@khi590 Yep, don't educate the people, just control them.
TheFirearmEnthusiast 5 months ago