Dover Trial and the Evolution of Anti-Evolution - Part 1

Part 1 of 6

Ed Brayton delivers an informative speech on the Dover, Pennsylvania "Intelligent Design" trial to the Western Michigan Freethought Association.

Part 2: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gTbPV2lInB4

Part 3: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yTeIMSQ9irc

Part 4: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLwXj3Gn84U

Part 5: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eWyEOsZGhqg

Part 6: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5J5TYsHKgYY

You can read Ed's blog, Dispatches from the Culture Wars, at http://www.scienceblogs.com/dispatches

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[Megamildman]

@LoricaLady

Too bad he was talking about an entirely different specimen called Sinosauropteryx, which lacks quill knobs.

If only creationists spent their time doing actual useful research instead of quote mining, maybe they'd accomplish something (maybe)

[Megamildman]

@LoricaLady

Too bad the "filamentous protofeathers" part was talking about older specimens that lacked quill knobs.

Classic creationist dishonesty and quote mining.

[LoricaLady]

@Megamildman Cont. There is 0 evidence for feathers with the "knobs." Analysis of a bone fragment can have varioius interpretations. I already gave you one, by another evoutionist, below. Just because an evolutionist tells you it's so, that no way makes it so. In fact, they frequently say things that are not true. I gave many examples of that below- which you have totally ignored. They are still relying, as always, on made up stories about invisible descendants & calling that science.

[LoricaLady]

@Megamildman On 2nd thought I will leave a comment on the "quill knobs" before taking off in case it can be of benefit to any lurkers out there. Evoultionists have made all kinds of claims for all kinds of things historically which later turned out to be bogus, which other evoutionists have totally contradicted. There is the so called horse evolution sequence, coelacanth which was supposedly transitioning to land millions of years ago until they found some live ones - 100% fish etc. etc. Cont.

[LoricaLady]

@Megamildman I don't think there are quill knobs anymore than I think they had feathers. Calling them "protofeathers" is the usual faith-based evo magical thinking where they tell us they know what a fossil's invisible descendants'( conveniently "missing links") body parts turned into, with of course 0 supporting data.

It ain't science. And you, sir, have not acted like a gentleman or a scholar. Those who go into verbal abuse return to it, usually more virulently. Have a NICE life! FINIS.

[Megamildman]

@LoricaLady

Not to mention you can see the feathers impressions clearly in fossils such as micro-raptor and Caudipteryx.

But let me guess "they're not REAL FEATHERS so they don't count! But they're not half feathers either because there's no such things as transitional forms. Please ignore my contradictions!"

Or maybe you'll try to claim they're both 100% birds. Because that always works so well.

[Megamildman]

@LoricaLady

"You oughta wonder why evo put useless quill knobs on an animal before it had feathers."

Yes, you've got to wonder why a velociraptor would have quill knobs if it didn't have feathers.

Are you trying to destroy your own argument? I thought that was my job.

"tho billions of fossils show only 100% scales, feathers,birds, fish or feet. "

Then by that logic protofeathers shouldn't exist at all. After all there are only 100% feathers, right?

[LoricaLady]

@Megamildman Cont. Evolutionist John Ruben says he thinks the filaments are just "collagenous fibres." The usual in evo land. Disagreement about the "evidence", and no real evidence at all when you really look at it.

You wouldn't be your salary dbl or 0 that those so called "protofeathers" turned into real feathers because, tho you are acting like you don't know what real evidence is, you do know. Come out of the matrix. The truth is outside. BYE!

[LoricaLady]

@Megamildman Cont. There is 0 feather to be seen on any velociraptor. I looked at the pictures of the fossils. They ain't feathers! You oughta wonder why evo put useless quill knobs on an animal before it had feathers. Anyone can look at a fossil, like the one with velociratpor and make up stories about what they think is going to happen to its descendants. The real truth is that it has no feathers. None. Nor are any seen "evolving" into real feathers anywhere in the fossil record. Cont.

[LoricaLady]

@Megamildman Cont. The claim, quoting from sciencemag is that they found "feathers or [!!] filamentous protofeathers." What is a filamentous protofeather? Why it's something that in their humble opinon looks like it is going to turn into a feather. Some day. They're so unsure about it, however, that they aren't even sure what to call it. As usual we are given invisible descendants of the "transition" & are to fill in invisible dots to real feathers. Cont.