Why I Won't Debate Anarchists

I've realized my core viewers are Objectivists, probably Objectivists who've read a lot of Rand. So when I do a fluffy video like "Anarchy is Stupid," I get tons of viewers. Almost all trash. So, away from Anarchy videos I shall stay.

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[MillionthUsername]

If law does not exist prior to the state - and the state is by all accounts (even Objectivist) an initiator of force - then you are saying that law does not exist until a a monopolistic gang initiates force against non-aggressors. So law is therefore merely the institutionalization of coercion. Instead of law being justice, for you it is power, and justice comes (if at all) sometime after the establishment of the monopoly of enforcement.

Isn't that backwards?

[MrCropper]

@MillionthUsername "the state is by all accounts (even Objectivist) an initiator of force"

You make yourself look like an ass saying that. You should at least have a passing familiarity with Objectivism before declaring it advocates initiation of force, which it doesn't (see ANYTHING by Ayn Rand).

[franks2732]

@MrCropper And coercion falls into the same category. Coercion needs to be defined and each ideology defines it in the image that suits the purpose of the belief. How does one for example decide what is coercion? And for that matter how do you enforce others to apply yours (or my) values? I sit and watch you libertarians (and no your not a libertarian lol you just believe in basically the same things) arguing in semantics all the time. Circular reason comes to mine

[MrCropper]

@franks2732 "Coercion needs to be defined and each ideology defines it in the image that suits the purpose of the belief. How does one for example decide what is coercion?"

If we met face-to-face, and I weren't afraid of legal ramifacations, I'd damn quick show you what coercion is. And you'd understand (it would likely be the first thing you'd understood in your life).

[Anarchy00094]

If you wont dialog with anarchist you are only arguing against your own strawman. That is not logical sorry. Also anarchy doesnt mean no law it means no leader in the anarchist theory laws do exist but they are not enforced by the state. I would love to know how you came to half the conclusions you came upon but apparently you dont wish to speak with me.

[MrCropper]

@Anarchy00094 "Also anarchy doesnt mean no law it means no leader in the anarchist theory laws do exist but they are not enforced by the state. "

That is the single dumbest definition of anarchy (or law) I've ever heard.

[Masterphonic]

Not watching the video, but is the answer "Because they're generally 14 year old punkrockers"

[bearcat648]

This guy is hilarious!

[Orthodoxcrusader]

So; We've all heard you blabber semi-coherently and use straw men arguments and half-truths to attack your opposition - Now, what do you propose?

Where lies the solution, if not in learning to get along?

There are two possible futures; Mankind will survive/Mankind will perish; And unless we learn to coexist, the second is an eventuality.

[sewbuttns]

HOw on earth can you be against anarchy and be against the state? You said yourself that capitalism requires laws and that laws require a state. So then you must be a statist.

[sewbuttns]

Laws are only as good as the men who make them and the men who enforce them.

[franks2732]

@neobudda1 The bat shit crazies indeed populate YT. I love how his argument was to smash me face in, him being a teacher and all lol. But out of the "church of zombie fish" the "rand" followers are indeed close to the worst, the worst of course being the rothbard crew

[neobudda1]

@franks2732 objectivist is a jedi mind trick in which you fool yourself. mrcopper is so wild

[franks2732]

@MrCropper Perhaps you could just stick your head up your ass along with your asinine beliefs. My mistake you have not taken your head out of your ass in years. And the violence thing, really? A bit childish "dummy spit"

[franks2732]

@MrCropper Every political ideology "initiates force" for your ideology that does not exist for it to exist would mean that you would have to initiates force against those who object. The anarchists are right on that point. I disagree with the anarchists because I believe in the "states" right to "initiate force". The protester protests and the men with guns come and break up the protest. Is the government using force to break up the protest or are the protesters? it's an argument in semantics