Additional commentary from Fr. Barron on the HHS mandate

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[oldworldartist]

Lets just state what an IUD contraceptive does! It is specifically designed to prevent a newly conceived child from implanting in the womb, by the time of implantation the child is already 5-9 days old, I think it is a way of slipping abortion in and have it payed for by the American Public. Young girls need to know! They may not be seeking it, but they may be aborting their children in ignorance, someone just please tell it like it is! Thankyou for helping all of us to see the truth!

[CoryTheRaven]

@cellomon09 "laws such as the HHS mandate must be shown to act justly in order to bring about justice."

Your guys' objection is that it IS just and the reason for why it is just doesn't happen to mesh with Catholic teachings. You're asking for special exemptions from the same rules that apply to any other business on the grounds that it happens to be against some obscure point of your religious doctrine that your own people don't obey anyways.

[CoryTheRaven]

@cellomon09 "Would it help knowing that I don't consider life in itself the highest good?"

That would be fine if you were volunteering yourself to die. To say that you don't consider life to be the highest good as a justification for the political expedience (or enculturated social dysfunction) of allowing the poor to die is just plain immoral, whichever way it's sliced.

[CoryTheRaven]

@cellomon09 It is a very enculturated attitude that you consider universal healthcare to be a "political" issue, which was my point concerning prescriptive law getting Americans' hackles up. In different societies without those sorts of cultural hangups, such things are considered human issues... human persons... that transcend politics. Allowing someone to die from a treatable illness because of politics is just as bad as killing them yourself.

[cellomon09]

@cellomon09 The point to all of this is that Americans have good reason to be suspect of prescriptive laws, precisely because of the sweeping effects they impose on society. That some sort of good comes about from a law is irrelevant if the law itself is unjust. Never mind the intrinsically disordered nature of contraception (though perhaps that is of greater issue); laws such as the HHS mandate must be shown to act justly in order to bring about justice.

[cellomon09]

@CoryTheRaven I would agree that people who have lost loved one's do not deserve my sarcasm. This is precisely why I attack the notion of the freedoms given by prescriptive law, not the individuals affected by it. I apologize if the remark seems snarky, but certainly you can appreciate the difference between attacking politics and attacking persons.

I'm sorry you find my statement to be mind-boggling. Would it help knowing that I don't consider life in itself the highest good?

[CoryTheRaven]

@cellomon09 "Is the latter really a greater freedom, so great as to legitimize the limitation on freedom?"

But to answer your question (since I suspect you'd be the kind of person to harp on me "avoiding" it), yes, it is worth it. I realize that all I was planning on doing with my affordable national health care plan was to keep living for a while, but yes it is worth it. It utterly boggles my mind that you somehow think it wouldn't.

[CoryTheRaven]

@cellomon09 "The freedom engendered by universal health care is a little more time not being dead."

This is such a carelessly insensitive remark that I'm astonished how any self-respecting human being could make it. People suffering needlessly with illness and debilitation is not a subject of snarky remarks. The people left behind because of a loved one's unnecessary death do not deserve your sarcasm. This is above and beyond the bizarre selective reasoning of it. You should know better.

[cellomon09]

@CoryTheRaven The freedom provided by murder laws is protection against another person's violent acts. The freedom engendered by universal health care is a little more time not being dead. Is the latter really a greater freedom, so great as to legitimize the limitation on freedom?

[CoryTheRaven]

@CoryTheRaven *gives us freedom from dying from treatable illnesses because of our economic class.