@FoieGras anyone with little experience in martial arts and good maai can defend and avoid shotokans oi tsuki.its the worst telegraph move.sorry that lost your time with this shit
From my personal experience, the people who make distinctions between styles are arrogant and are usually the ones who don't train seriously. You may be different - I don't know. But I'm not going to change your mind at this point.
However, as a PERSON, not as a martial artist, it's extremely irritating and utterly non-constructive trolling on every single vid. You don't like shotokan - WE GET IT. Go take your shit somewhere else where people care (good luck with that)
@acerwk Heh. I have studied Hung Gar (very application-heavy; a mix of tiger and white crane which is what Okinawan karate is derived from), which is my foundation and preference and Kendo. I tried my hand at Muay Thai, BJJ, and boxing as well, but those aren't for me. Sorry, but if it's easy to avoid, you have a shitty teacher who doesn't know how to read movements or he releases his punch early or you're just that good at hiding where you're going to dodge. So what have you studied in depth?
@FoieGras oi tsuki is the most easy move to avoid.it take a lot of space and you can see it miles away.study others martial arts and you will see how easily defend against that type of attacks
Hell, what you say with bunkai won't even apply when you're not in range. Shifting will take care of those just as well. If application was all there was to the formula, you're better off studying all Chinese martial arts, which are even more bunkai-rich (and the bunkai are more well-established).
Shotokan concentrates on moving your body efficiently in terms of power-generation, which is just as important. It's NOT an in-fighting style
@acerwk It is NOT 'so simple.' Maybe against beginners, it is, but an experienced person can see you lean towards the direction you're planning to shift. You'll need an extra layer of protection with a strong block or be damn good about hiding your intentions, which in itself takes a LOT of practice.
Furthermore, no one goes IN with an Oi-tsuki, Like all other styles, people begin with kizami-tsuki, which in Shotokan, is already heavy - there are plenty of people knocked out with one.
Finding a defense for the Mawashi-tsuki is simple once you're exposed to it, and the thing is people are constantly doing research on what IS effective, especially in styles in Shotokan.
Just like many people who don't understand Jujutsu think 'man, that's gay' until they find out the hard way that they're powerless in that style's territory. But hell, Jujutsu doesn't address any of the above either
@acerwk Ok, fair. No defense against these, but all styles don't have defenses against everything, most only focus on the ones they deem important to look out for in attacks. As far as I know, most styles don't teach you how to properly defend against attacks as HEAVY as Shotokan's as well. It may not look like much but a forward-stepping oi-tsuki from Shotokan is hard to defend against as well (even moreso for Shotokan's Yokogeri Kekomi).
@FoieGras anyone with little experience in martial arts and good maai can defend and avoid shotokans oi tsuki.its the worst telegraph move.sorry that lost your time with this shit
acerwk 5 months ago
From my personal experience, the people who make distinctions between styles are arrogant and are usually the ones who don't train seriously. You may be different - I don't know. But I'm not going to change your mind at this point.
However, as a PERSON, not as a martial artist, it's extremely irritating and utterly non-constructive trolling on every single vid. You don't like shotokan - WE GET IT. Go take your shit somewhere else where people care (good luck with that)
FoieGras 5 months ago
@acerwk Heh. I have studied Hung Gar (very application-heavy; a mix of tiger and white crane which is what Okinawan karate is derived from), which is my foundation and preference and Kendo. I tried my hand at Muay Thai, BJJ, and boxing as well, but those aren't for me. Sorry, but if it's easy to avoid, you have a shitty teacher who doesn't know how to read movements or he releases his punch early or you're just that good at hiding where you're going to dodge. So what have you studied in depth?
FoieGras 5 months ago
@FoieGras oi tsuki is the most easy move to avoid.it take a lot of space and you can see it miles away.study others martial arts and you will see how easily defend against that type of attacks
acerwk 5 months ago
Hell, what you say with bunkai won't even apply when you're not in range. Shifting will take care of those just as well. If application was all there was to the formula, you're better off studying all Chinese martial arts, which are even more bunkai-rich (and the bunkai are more well-established).
Shotokan concentrates on moving your body efficiently in terms of power-generation, which is just as important. It's NOT an in-fighting style
FoieGras 5 months ago
@acerwk It is NOT 'so simple.' Maybe against beginners, it is, but an experienced person can see you lean towards the direction you're planning to shift. You'll need an extra layer of protection with a strong block or be damn good about hiding your intentions, which in itself takes a LOT of practice.
Furthermore, no one goes IN with an Oi-tsuki, Like all other styles, people begin with kizami-tsuki, which in Shotokan, is already heavy - there are plenty of people knocked out with one.
FoieGras 5 months ago
@FoieGras Tai sabaki.So simple.
acerwk 5 months ago
Finding a defense for the Mawashi-tsuki is simple once you're exposed to it, and the thing is people are constantly doing research on what IS effective, especially in styles in Shotokan.
Just like many people who don't understand Jujutsu think 'man, that's gay' until they find out the hard way that they're powerless in that style's territory. But hell, Jujutsu doesn't address any of the above either
FoieGras 5 months ago
@acerwk Ok, fair. No defense against these, but all styles don't have defenses against everything, most only focus on the ones they deem important to look out for in attacks. As far as I know, most styles don't teach you how to properly defend against attacks as HEAVY as Shotokan's as well. It may not look like much but a forward-stepping oi-tsuki from Shotokan is hard to defend against as well (even moreso for Shotokan's Yokogeri Kekomi).
FoieGras 5 months ago
@FoieGras sorry for my bad english.its not my native language.Im talking drills against mawashi tsuki not geri.hook punches not kicks.
acerwk 5 months ago