Milton Friedman - Socialism is Force

Milton Friedman discusses the moral values encouraged by economic systems and explains that a primary difference between capitalism and socialism is the difference between free choice and compulsory force. http://www.LibertyPen.com

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[HipsterBot2000]

This guy is awesome.

[sinistar99]

@tcoons1912 So you're calling names with no facts or anything and telling someone to get THEIR "shit straight?" Nice. I don't think you have a clue how humans actually think and act. They're not all sociopaths who think in terms of short term gain for themselves. If you hate government so much move to Somalia. You're sure to be successful without all that mean old government in the way.

[TheGamerJoseph]

@BlueFrog83 Yes, I agree with you there. But hear me out, while I say where I disagree. An abolition of private property is impossible. History shows many cultures developing private property, capitalist or not. Property is natural, not unnatural. Private property isn't about control, it's about harmony. Making sure that what you work for, you keep. Who wants to work hard and have the fruits of their labor stolen, with no recourse? Also, it solves the "tragedy of the commons" problem

[TheGamerJoseph]

@BlueFrog83 Nobody is forced into working for corporations. I genuinely don't understand why socialists feel that way. Right now, in America, you are free to go live in the woods. You are free to go live off the land. Nobody is stopping you. People choose to work for companies because it allows them to live a better life. They can afford a nice place to live, food, blankets, entertainment, etc. If you don't want that stuff, don't chase it. Why does a bohemian life require socialism?

[BlueFrog83]

@TheGamerJoseph Your freedom is the bourgeois type of freedom. Where you are free to make a choice in a market place, but of course if you live by wage, you have no choice than to sell yourself to survive. And do have land you need to have money right? and then you need to work if you are wage worker. If you have alot of wage like a co, or you have a big company, well then the bourgeois freedom is wonderful for that individual, but its price is wage slavary in making those products.

[BlueFrog83]

@TheGamerJoseph A socialist society is a abolition of private property, that the workers takes over the companies and runs them. Dont you think the police will intervene, if people choice to take over the means of production?

[TheGamerJoseph]

@BlueFrog83 In a capitalist society, you're free to start a socialist society within it if you wish. You're free to not buy commercial products, to live off the land, or to work as little as possible. The police don't arrest you for doing any of these things. Try starting a capitalist society within a socialist society.. tell me how far you get. And then tell me which system uses force and coercion.

[AtheistDaddy]

@FlatEarthHypothesis You mention FORCE (you capitalized it). Taxes are enforcement not force. How would you protect your property without enforcement (which you call FORCE)? How would you ensure contracts were upheld without enforcement? Taxes are part of an explicit contract. When you live in the U.S. you pay these taxes. Enforcement not force.

How do you conclude that Denmark is a homogeneous population? I have been there (loved it!), twice, I can assure you they are not.

[FlatEarthHypothesis]

@AtheistDaddy I agree completely, gov should stay the heck out of GE, GM, and all others for that matter. Do away with all tax breaks, make everyone pay taxes in cash at the end of the year to remind them about FORCE. I have no problem with teachers, big problem with socialist propaganda. RE:Example, Tiny countries, small homogeneous populations, NOT a good comparison. You, on the other hand, bury your head and ignore the murders and financial failures of every other socialist state.

[AtheistDaddy]

@FlatEarthHypothesis You use Greece as proof of where the U.S. is headed and the failure of democratic socialism. I point to countries that are doing very well even through the global recession. This is a talking point?

Corporations in the United States receive all manner of tax breaks (you probably call them business incentives). We have some companies that pay $0.00 yet make millions in profit (GE). Not enough space to deal with your vitriol against teachers and unions.

[FlatEarthHypothesis]

@AtheistDaddy Nice talking points, (MMFA?). Unfettered access? Then why do we have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the world? De-emphasized education? 60 Billion a year (and growing) to pay off corrupt teachers unions where even the WORST and most underperforming schools are kept going. Tuition is artificially bloated due to gov involvement, every time they raise subsidies the schools just raise tuition to suck up the new money. Remove loans and it goes back to a true market.

[LordSlag]

@FlatEarthHypothesis No, none of those things are necessary, they're merely things that everyone agrees that we want, like I said above. Thanks for admitting that I'm right in saying that some socialism is good, and some is bad. We only disagree as to where the line is. Further, you just want to cut all the programs that care for those who can't care for themselves or have none to care for them and let them die in the street, psychopath. Also, AtheistDaddy pwnd u 2 lol.