A handout for statists...

Something to save both time and sanity...

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[MusicianMX]

You do realize that coercion would exist even in anarcho capitalism right? If someone has a choice between working for $0.75 an hour at a power plant, $0.50 an hour in a coal mine, or $1 an hour in a meat packing factory, can you really say they have the freedom to work for whatever wage they want? The options then are to work below what you require to support yourself, or to die a horrible death due to starvation. How is that form of coercion any better?

[stefbot]

@MusicianMX These are never the only choices in a free society. He could move, or start his own business, or borrow money to upgrade his skills, etc etc etc...

[yoshimaroka]

Try not paying taxes.

[jamosmithlol]

@TimothyADonaghue Nope, I checked it over and it's all correct

[TimothyADonaghue]

No. You're wrong. Coercion requires force. Your character can choose NOT to cross Joe's fence line, and therefore avoid being shot. When it comes to the state, there is no "choice". There is only force. Hence the coercion. @jamosmithlol

[jamosmithlol]

@stefbot the coercion in @MuscianMX's example is the system of property rights he is forced to live under. For example, he must respect Joe's fence line or be shot. This system takes away his ability to live free since the land, game, vegetation and natural resources are owned by the most powerful (those who define property rights). There is no way to avoid this; force is inherent in the use of resources.

[TimothyADonaghue]

Your joking, I'm going to guess and hope. @astrolifter

[bestiaccia]

Brilliant!!

[AttilaLendvai]

i like your reasoning Stef.

but this video is unnecessarily arrogant. e.g. the use of the word "fools" at the end, and the same general attitude that comes through at a few points will only make people defensive and antagonize you and your valid position.

i would welcome if you could create one after thinking about this for a while, because if you don't want to convince the other "fools", then why make this video?

statists piss me off also, but arguments in this style are just time wasted...

[nurbSoldier]

@brokenbeforetime assertion

[brokenbeforetime]

@clintcastle i belive they would...because they would realize that if they didnt thier speices would go extinct...to bad most human beings dnt realize that

[clintcastle]

@brokenbeforetime If ants had the ability to reason I doubt they would bring food to the queen, but then again there are a lot of humans that dont have that ability either.

[astrolifter]

You have the choice now to repent or not for your speaking ill of the holy spirit.

[wood9670]

@blapgat, don't feed the trolls. brokenbeforetime is not an individual with a high capacity to empathize

[Motherlandpluto]

@yoshimaroka They will send a letter and bash you afterwards if you're ignoring it

[Struckgold]

I'm just gonna avoid people who talk like that damn statist.

[brokenbeforetime]

@HavocGunStar Freedom comes at a price, ants bring food to the queen all day (like a tax) anyone who thinks we shouldn't pay taxes is a greedy retard, if hippies ruled the world we would either be extinct or still living in caves. I cant stand all these ignorant retard hippes, grow up already!

[xtremejohnny69]

@stefbot Not just that, but any business that wants the best workers is gonna pay them a fair wage. These people aren't stupid, they know the best way to get the best workers is to pay them a decent wage. Government involvement is what caused monopolies to arise and prices of goods to get so high.

[4swzb]

Hi Stef great logic as ususal...acting in the furure?

[ghilliemaster]

@yoshimaroka Do they let you do YouTube videos from jail?

[arterex]

@pnd51010 I looked and didn't see anything. Please realize that you might be crazy.

[zyodei]

@MusicianMX But you miss the whole point! NO ONE is faced with those three choices! Every single person, living in a free society, has hundreds and thousands of choices they can make! They can join a hippy commune, they can do odd jobs, they can start a small business, they can move to another city/country, they can buy and sell things, they can fix cars, they can study a skill that is useful to the community, etc. etc. etc.!

It is only political situations that limits these choices.

[alistairproductions]

Stef, funny thing is, that's exactly the voice the statist always uses!

[pnd51010]

also pause at 4:38 and 4:49 bottom timer and look at his slit pupils and more 2 different eyecolor

[pnd51010]

plese note that this man is not human he is a shapeshifter reptoid , please watch this video full screen paused frame by frame and you will note the following anamolies -- hexagonal angular irides occasional slit pupil , his eyes change between 2 different types of blues as well as significant teeth morphing pause at 1:21 to see the slit pupil in left eye as well as his eyes being 2 different colors .. these hidden ones are everywhere . this person is most def one of them , love and light

[fps0chris]

@MusicianMX So coersion is wrong, therefore we need a coercive state?

[HavocGunStar]

@brokenbeforetime Can you point to an animal that lives in a voluntary society that pays some sort of tithing or tax to a leadership caste to impose order? Can you point to an animal that will imprison its own kind for 'its own good'? Can you point to an animal that will torture for fun?

Voluntaryism is entirely workable. As is anarcho-capitalism. People like you simply won't allow it, because for you, under it life gets much harder, and you don't value freedom at all.